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John Demartini

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Bedroom Slide Issues
« on: May 30, 2023, 10:20:54 PM »
Our bedroom slide has always been temperamental, with delayed response to switch input.  Now it blowing fuses and won't operate.  Fuse blows when installed with no switch input. The slide is now about two inches extended and stopped.  I suspect it's bound up due to alignment...the issue had gotten worse now in warm weather, and now just blows fuses.  I'm wondering if somehow the motor is staying engaged?  Or, some short circuit causing fuses to blow.  It's a fully electrical unit.  Also, what the best process to attempt manual operation on the drive mechanism. 

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
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Re: Bedroom Slide Issues
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2023, 01:45:45 AM »
I and others have had problems with our electric slides, and many of us have originated or added to threads here on the Forum.  If you have not already, try doing some searches of the threads and reading about the various problems and fixes.  If you have not already read it, the following link will take you to my explanation of my bedroom slide problem and its fix.

https://beaveramb.org/forum/index.php/topic,4293.msg38846.html#msg38846

I also have learned to regularly lubricate the slide components found under the bed.  And I also tip the coach over in the direction such that the slide is moving slightly downhill when I open or close the slide.  My logic is that doing this makes it easier on the slide motor to move the heavy slide.
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Re: Bedroom Slide Issues
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2023, 01:22:11 AM »
Hi Dave:

I disconnected the motor and the fuse does not blow.  Reconnected and as suspected the fuse blew.

I believe there is an internal short in the motor.

It might be simplest just to replace the motor.  Any suggestions on sources?

Klauber Model # K01250C600.

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Re: Bedroom Slide Issues
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2023, 09:45:36 AM »
If the system is binding or a brake locked up, that could stress the motor pulling too many amps causing a blown fuse.   Just saying, replacing the motor may not rectify the true source of the issue.

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Re: Bedroom Slide Issues
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2023, 12:37:54 PM »
John,
As Joel noted, it could be the motor brake. Try removing the motor brake from the end of the motor and see if the motor runs before you buy a new motor.
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Re: Bedroom Slide Issues
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2023, 12:46:51 PM »
Good morning guys when I removed the motor assembly the slide moved freely by manually operating the drive gear shaft. I assume the brake is part of the gearbox attached to the motor? If it’s different, please let me know. Thanks for your input, much appreciated.
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Re: Bedroom Slide Issues
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2023, 02:14:45 PM »
As explained to me years ago and if memory serves, the slide brake looks much like a hockey puck and is bolted onto the end of the motor.  I searched and read a couple of messages written by Ed Buker, a former member of this Forum.  Below is a link to one of Mr. Buker's messages that may help you.

https://beaveramb.org/forum/index.php/topic,3783.msg29149.html#msg29149

When the slide actuation toggle switch is pushed, either for IN or OUT, the switch directs the slide brake to release and the motor to turn.  As noted in the message from Mr. Buker, your problem might be the brake is not releasing... among other possibilities mentioned by him.
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Re: Bedroom Slide Issues
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2023, 04:24:48 PM »
Good morning, new motor assembly came yesterday. Wired it up and still have a similar problem. However, the fuse does not blow immediately. I suspect there is not enough power going to the motor to release the brake? Is there any sort of a spec someone could suggest? Wiring diagrams for 2000 patriot are basically nonexistent. Any suggestions on a similar year that might have the same wiring for the bedroom slide? Thank you all.

Also, very curious, I have a blue and a black wire going to the motor. I also have found a red wire capped off about a foot or so back in the loom. Any thoughts? See picture thank you.
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Re: Bedroom Slide Issues
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2023, 12:56:31 AM »
John,
See this thread. Problem probably lies at switch connections or poor splices between switch and motor brake.  https://beaveramb.org/forum/Themes/default/images/theme/main_block.png
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Re: Bedroom Slide Issues
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2023, 03:15:00 AM »
FIXED!  Actually found old motor had excessive draw. And, also found excessive resistance on blue power lead from switch to motor.  Thank you all for the advice and information. 

Getting by with a temporary rewire but looking for advice on running the wire from the switch in the tv bay to the slide.  Can anyone tell me if the wires are rooted through the ceiling? If so, how big of a job is it to drop the ceiling?

Thanks again.
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Re: Bedroom Slide Issues
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2023, 05:14:23 PM »
John
Problem isn't the wire but at one of the terminations. The connection at the switch is normally most problematic. Assuming yours is same as mine was, the connection between the switch wires and the wires running to the motor is probably the culprit. The connector at that junction is the problematic. I removed the connector and tied the wires together, first with a wire nut to verify the fix and the soldered them as a permanent fix (but the wire nut probably would have sufficed).
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Re: Bedroom Slide Issues
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2023, 02:14:38 PM »
Steve:

Yes, I agree.  I'm finding high resistance being addressed by improving connection as suggested.  Solder joints are best.  Question, I may have the need to run a new circuit front the front power panel to the rear of the coach.  Any suggestions on routing?  I'm think externally, under the coach and through the basement, then coming up into the house where needed.  Thanks again...
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Re: Bedroom Slide Issues
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2023, 02:44:36 PM »
John
There are 12V sources near the rear of the coach since the batteries are located there. Before I went to that effort I'd check the voltage coming into the slide switch with and without trying to extend the slide. If the resistance is between the switch and the motor the voltage at the switch should not drop as much as the voltage at the motor. Also check your grounds in the motor circuit as a resistive ground can cause the same symptoms.
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