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Michael Hannan

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Front Door Swing Arm Assembly Door Hinge
« on: February 13, 2017, 06:24:36 AM »
My Swing Arm Assembly Door Hinge is giving up.  The door won't stay open in a breeze unless I adjust the coach out of level.  I think I have tracked down a source to get a new one but I'm wondering if anyone has installed a hydraulic opener.  Not sure how that would work with no space between the main & screens doors but thought I'd ask anyway.

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MJ

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Re: Front Door Swing Arm Assembly Door Hinge
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2017, 06:59:04 AM »
Michael, I replaced mine about 2 years ago.  I looked into replacing it with a strut style opener but decided to just replace the locking top arm.  Here is an article on how to replace it with a strut.
https://bsehlin.wordpress.com/entry-door-strut/   
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Re: Front Door Swing Arm Assembly Door Hinge
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2017, 07:08:20 AM »
Thanks Chuck.  I have the parts on order and will see how it works. As the parts are not very expensive I won't be out much if I decide to go back to the scissor style swing arm.

MJ

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Re: Front Door Swing Arm Assembly Door Hinge
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2017, 03:10:10 AM »
Michael,
On my 06 PT the arm works fine, had to tighten up the rivet once, I looked into trying to use a strut but the there is no way to install it without the strut assy being on the inside of the coach. I figured that if the factory one gives out I can pretty easy make one just like it. Nothing any special with the bracket.

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Re: Front Door Swing Arm Assembly Door Hinge
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2017, 05:42:25 AM »
Hi Lee.  Here's a photo of a piston assembly on the outside of the door that I took from the link of someone who did it.

MJ

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Re: Front Door Swing Arm Assembly Door Hinge
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2017, 08:44:06 PM »
Mike
If understand you are replacing the original swing arm with a new one. If so where did you find it and could you please share as I need to repair or replace mine. You can pm me if you wish. And thanks before hand.

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Re: Front Door Swing Arm Assembly Door Hinge
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2017, 09:01:32 PM »
Just a short sub topic question, do these doors lock in the open position?  Mine never has so I just assumed it did not.  Thanks.
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Re: Front Door Swing Arm Assembly Door Hinge
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2017, 10:32:30 PM »
My brother's 2000 Tourmaline has an entry door that locks open.  Our 2004 Marquis does not lock open.  To close his entry door he must pull the door opener lever.  To hold our entry door open in the wind or on a hill I put a bungee cord from it to the rear view mirror.  We also have the problem of a sagging scissor arm which if the entry door is not held fully open, then the screen door catches on the scissor arm joint.
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Re: Front Door Swing Arm Assembly Door Hinge
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2017, 11:19:09 PM »
Often the problem is loose or missing screws in the mountings, but the detent near the scissors pivot point can be tricky to function properly also.  Ours was missing a mounting screw (or two) right from the factory, but even with that rectified, BCS eventually replaced the arm after I only had some minor success trying to get it reset.  They originally tried just resetting/replacing a couple of fiber shims in the door frame, but as best as I recall that was mostly to cut down rattling, and the shims never stayed put.  A properly mounted arm shouldn't rattle on the road anyway.  One fiber shim remains glued to the top arm at the center pivot, where it intervenes quite capably between the assembly and the top door frame.

David's issue may be from one or both of his mounts;  I wouldn't think just the center pivot being worn would allow that much sag, although it certainly would compromise the detent and catch's function in holding the door open.  If the whole thing is worn to a point of sloppiness at the center pivot, or the mounts aren't aligned right or are loose, then the detent and small "catch" there won't hold.  Ours has worked very well ever since replacement (9+ years?), staying open even in winds and yet being reasonably easy to disengage for closing.

I've run across many owners who never realized their doors were supposed to stay open if needed.  Either their mounts were loose or the pivots worn to the point that the detent and little extruded catch couldn't do their job.  You should be able to check for excessive sloppiness of the arm by just holding the door halfway open and standing on a step or a closed step cover.  Then fully open the door and examine the detent and catch assembly's performance in place.  If it's all too sloppy and it isn't one or both poorly set or aligned mounts, then I'd replace it with a new arm assembly - the detent, mini-extruded catch, and center pivot have to perfectly work together, and may not be worth the time to try rebuilding.

That said, one could try removing the mechanism's door and frame mounts, taking the assembly to one's shop vice if available, and squeezing or ball-peen hammering the three pivot "rivets" to see if they could be tightened up at all.  I never got to that point with ours, and having not actually had the mounts off I don't know how feasible that is But if anyone is up for giving that a go, let us know how it works out.  I suspect David has access to the resources for that.

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Re: Front Door Swing Arm Assembly Door Hinge
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2017, 01:21:48 AM »
Mike
If understand you are replacing the original swing arm with a new one. If so where did you find it and could you please share as I need to repair or replace mine. You can pm me if you wish. And thanks before hand.

I'm actually going to replace mine with a piston but I did manage to find that BCS has them in stock for $134.99 plus S/H. 

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Re: Front Door Swing Arm Assembly Door Hinge
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2017, 12:37:56 PM »
I read on another forum about a fellow that machined 3 new bronze, tight-clearance bearings and replaced his pivot "rivets".   He gave detailed instructions and some photos, so I reckon someone, sans his own shop, could take them and his swingarm assembly to a local machinist.  The bronze pivots might last longer, I guess is the idea.  Another contributor gave the contact for a guy that will replace one's old swingarm pivots for $35 and shipping, although the thread was a couple years old.  So there are options aside from buying a whole new assembly.

PM me if you're interested in those, and I'll try to track the info down.

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Re: Front Door Swing Arm Assembly Door Hinge
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2017, 03:07:00 AM »
I read on another forum about a fellow that machined 3 new bronze, tight-clearance bearings and replaced his pivot "rivets".   He gave detailed instructions and some photos, so I reckon someone, sans his own shop, could take them and his swingarm assembly to a local machinist.  The bronze pivots might last longer, I guess is the idea.  Another contributor gave the contact for a guy that will replace one's old swingarm pivots for $35 and shipping, although the thread was a couple years old.  So there are options aside from buying a whole new assembly.

PM me if you're interested in those, and I'll try to track the info down.

Joel

Joel, You are right on the money, all that is needed is to tighten up the pivot points. I just have to take mine off and smack it a couple time on the anvil and it really does lock when open. $35 to replace the joints would be a good deal.

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Re: Front Door Swing Arm Assembly Door Hinge
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2017, 07:28:04 PM »
I discovered last night why my front entry door's scissor arm-stop was sagging.  When we returned from our afternoon of couples golf here at the Fortuna Foothills of Yuma the scissor arm fell off the frame end's "pivot rivet."  The wide end of the pivot rivet, facing down, wore out and allowed the arm to simply fall off the rivet.  I removed the scissor arm and end pieces from the frame and door, and took it down to CJ's RV Repair here in the Foothills.  What Jason suggested we could try, in lieu of a new replacement, is to spot-center weld a thin washer onto the top of the pivot rivet.  He will call in a day or two and we shall see what the cost is and see how it works.  He said sometimes this fix works and sometimes not.  The washer (one on the frame end and perhaps another washer on the door end) when welded in place sometimes makes the assembly too thick to allow the door to close properly.  We'll see......
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Re: Front Door Swing Arm Assembly Door Hinge
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2017, 09:04:10 PM »
I picked up the entry door scissor arm yesterday afternoon and installed it today.  The CJ's repairman spot welded two washers on top of the "pivot rivets" - one on each end of the scissor arm.  One washer on the end that screws up into the coach frame above the door opening and the other washer on the end that is riveted to the top of the door.  Now these were thin washers, but their combined thickness was enough to not allow the door to close.  So I got out the Dremel tool and ground down the top leading edge of both washers to make them thinner, but only on their edge such that they would not catch and hold the door from closing.  Now, once the washer on the door gets by the arm it will slide under the arm to allow the door to close.  It's still a tight fit, but over time it should polish up and wear even thinner to allow the door to close more easily... although it closes okay now with a firm pull plus a little oil on the pivot points.

The cost for the two washers welded onto the "pivot rivets" was $25 plus AZ sales tax... $26.68.
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Re: Front Door Swing Arm Assembly Door Hinge
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2017, 01:53:51 AM »
Here's a link to where you can buy the OEM arm, but they only want $140 for $5 worth of steel.

http://veurinksrv.stores.dealerspike.com/product.aspx?zpid=5751631