ZAR Cherry stain #116

[Fred Brooks]

   Hi folks, I am looking for a quart of ZAR cherry stain. If anyone out there in Forum land has quart laying around and has no use for it, I would be delighted to purchase it. Not real sure what has happened to the availability but I am having difficulty locating some. Thanks for your consideration, Fred

[Mike Shumack]

Fred, have you tried the MinWax 235 Cherry stain? I found that to be an exact match for my cabinets (although my Coach is a 2005).
https://www.aamericanflooring.com/floor-finishes/minwax-wood-finish-stain-cherry-235-1-qt#.XuUEI0VKiHs

[Fred Brooks]

  Thanks Mike, Doesn't quite match the "tanning effect" that 20 years of daylight has on cherry wood, thanks for the reply!

[Eric Maclean]

Fred
Home depot .com
Type in (( internet # 203887438)) and you should bring up in your search Home depot .
Montreal cheap at $25.00 a quart.
Hope this helps
 Eric

[Steve Huber Co-Admin]

Fred,
I get mine at Woodworkers Source. There is one in Tucson at 3441 S Palo Verde Rd, Tucson, AZ 85713
IMHO it is  far superior to other stains and matches the Beaver cherry perfectly.
Steve

[Joel Ashley]

I think Eric’s Home Depot link should work for you, Fred. 

Our coach didn’t have 20 years of wood exposure, like yours, when I made extra shelving a decade ago or so.  Of course not even the shelf edging behind doors is exposed to light like, say, living/galley area cabinetry.  But the Minwax Mike suggests worked great to make simple Home Depot pine look just like the surrounding cabinetry.  We were at the Rock Creek Park in Twin Falls where I had no power tools and had to hand-make the shelves.  I didn’t expect pine to stain match quite so well, and was amazed.  Our cherry is “natural” I was told, finished but not stained;  one Minwax application to the pine was all that was needed, aside from protective clearcoat.

Joel

[Fred Brooks]

   Thanks Guys,
  UGL the parent company of ZAR stains has discontinued #116 cherry stain. I bought Old Masters "cedar" and mixed it 50/50 with ZAR #112 "Provincial" and you get an exact match of ZAR 116 Cherry. Woodworkers Source has the stains. Thanks Steve. Fred

[Jerry Carr]

Hi Fred, you don't tell us about the project.

Are you staining new wood what kind of wood, Cherry will darken in sun light very quickly our company used a lot of Cherry when we did work for Tully's Coffee, a lot of the wood in our Beavers (06 PT) had no stain. New Cherry wood can look pretty light but in a month it will match the old wood if you run into our 06 ask Ron for a  look we did an enclosure around the MCD shades we updated with no stain just a clear coat finish in a month it was a match for the original wood.

FYI If your project is using a light color wood like Alder/Ash or Birch you will need stain it but if your doing Cherry you may want to give it some time. 

[Fred Brooks]

  Hi Jerry,
My 2000 Marquis is starting to have an issue with finish starting to cloud over. I have been experimenting with various remedies. If you remove the finish down to the original cherry, then you need to replicate the "Tanning" process before you install the new gloss finish. ZAR #116 is an EXACT match for a 20 year old coach.
   Because I love this color cherry, I am building a "china" cabinet for my bride and I need an additional quart of stain. I appreciate all the feed back.
    Hoping we all get to have happy trails real soon, Fred

[Bill Lampkin]

For some new woodwork in our Beaver, I used cherry wood and no stain, just gloss Varathane for a finish; exact match.

[Jerry Carr]

Bill is right on some times we would be able to remove the clouding by moisture with Lacquer thinner but don.t go over board where you have veneer
 

[Fred Brooks]

   The mirror gloss finish on the Marquis's is a polyester resin with a catalyst activator. There is no stripper to my knowledge that will remove it (not even aircraft paint remover) Monaco on 04 and up was using clear lacquer over natural cherry wood (looks Great!). Fred

[Eric Maclean]

Fred
Any idea what they used is it a catalized epoxy like west system or more like an automotive clear coat.
Either way the only to my knowledge to remove it is to sand it off .
It sounds to me that it is quite likely an epoxy like west system as most of those require a separate UV protection to keep them from developing what as an ameian blush (( where the epoxy turns milky from prolonged exposure to UV ( sun light) ))
In boats where west system is used the final product is usually sprayed with a few coats of automotive clear coat to provide the high gloss finish and the UV protection.
Just my two cents worth
I'd sand the effected parts and have them clear coated the trick is to make it match the untouched finish's in the coach
The clear coats used in most automotive body shops are a urethane produce and tough as nails.
Hope this helps
Eric

[Steve Huber Co-Admin]

Fred,
Today I noticed the local ACE had a good stock of Zar Cherry #116 in 1/2 pint cans.
Steve