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General Boards => General Discussion => Topic started by: LaMonte Monnell on December 07, 2018, 12:23:33 AM
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I am due for drive axle tires very soon. I have Toyo's M154 265/75 r 22.5's now. The dealer that put these on doesn't have access to these anymore and suggested the Goodyear G670's now.
But they want $2400 for 4 rears and is out the door price.
The last two Toyo's I bought were for the steer tires June of 2017.....they were $950.00
Have the prices gone up that much since 2012?
2001 Beaver Contessa Naples 40', Tampa Fl right now......
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Did you check the FMCA pricing https://www.fmca.com/rv-tires-discounts
You could switch to a 275/70R22.5 tire (more common size) it is the same diameter tire and jst 1" wider.
I see the pricing for the Toyo M154 is $400 each on-line, and the Michelin is around $550 each (not sure what it costs through FMCA) at the same on-line dealer. https://simpletire.com/rv_tires
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LaMonte,
There is no way that I would run a Goodyear tire on my coach. They are way to problematic when you look at the uneven thread wear issues that are extremely common, and the much less common but higher frequency of blow-outs than other brands.
Gerald
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La Monte,
I second Gerald's comments re GY. A blow out on mine cost my ins co over $60K and loss of my coach for 5 mos. I run Toyos now but have Hankooks on all 3 of my PU's /Jeeps and love their performance/price. Had Continentals on my wife's car and was very impressed with ride. The M144 Toyos have a stiff sidewall that you'll feel if you are used to a Michelin but the control is great and with good shocks, not a problem.
Steve
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I put Sumitomo tires on for my steer axel last year. Great tires and excellent reviews from IRV2 posters and cost around $400 each.
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I replaced aged out Hankooks with Sumatomo tires about 6 months ago. Couldn't find Hankooks. Sumatomos were about 2400 for 6 of them out the door. 5k miles on them so far and I am happy with the ride. 275x70x22.5.
Jerry
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find another dealer. I recently got M154s at a very reasonable price
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I found the info posted by Mike Shumak to be uniquely interesting. Tire sizes were very close other than width by 1" and diameter the same but the real difference was the Michelin load rating.
In calculating the cost also posted and correlating it to the load rating the Michelins were just slightly more cost if looked at only by $$$$. What was very significant IMHO is the added load rating on almost the same size tire.
Maybe I am incorrect in believing that most coach's are overloaded that are going down the highway and that is why my calculations for $$$$ to loaded rating is why I think the Michelins are a better buy and is why I have always run them since 1991.
I really had no idea until Mike posted this info that this could be that different and I thank him for taking the time to do that. I always opt for the safest tire I can buy and it kinda goes the same as when flying to get the best pilot or commercial carrier with the best pilots as we like to stay on Mother Earth right side up.
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I have finally found the M154 Toyo's I wanted. The dealer has them in stock in their warehouse and can install them whenever I want to schedule an appointment.
They have great reviews and seem to be professional.
Olin Mott tire Store Tampa, Fl
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Doug,
Mike's tables were for a Michelin 275/70R 22.5 and a Toyo 265/75R 22.5. The Toyo 275/75R 22.5 has effectively the same load value as the comparable Michelin. (Toyo 6945@130 PSI, Michelin 6940@130PSI). IMHO, you can't buy a better tire that Michelin but some of the other brands e.g. Toyo, Hankook, etc are "nipping at their heels" from a price/performance standpoint.
Steve
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I'd like to put in a vote for Yokohama tires. I'm on the second set of 295/80/22.5 and they have performed flawlessly. Made in the USA at West Point, MS.
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I get that everyone seems to think Michelins are so great but...most of the problems/complaints I see on all the forums are either Michelin or Good Year. Why would I buy tires that are the most complained about? I don't get it. Just wondering.
Jerry
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Hi Jerry; I would think you would see more complaints because they are the ones most used. If 90 % of RV tires are Michelins or Goodyears they would have the most complaints just by numbers. Although it would be interesting to do a survey of some sort to see what the distribution of RV tire manufacturers are on motor homes. Goodyear did have a problem in overrating (LOAD) a specific tire size but I don't believe that it was a size used on class a coaches. I am of the belief that the contact patch on the tire is what keeps you stuck to the road and I want it to be the best I can get. What that is... is another question!?!
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Jim, that may be part of it but...Michelin is the only company that I've seen that gives out guidance to people so they can tell if cracks in sidewalls are bad enough to make tire unsafe or not. You're right it would be interesting to see survey results but I doubt that will happen. My Hankooks were 7 when replaced because of age. My current Sumitomos will just have to prove themselves. I do have a TPMS and hope that it will give me some warning if something happens.
Jerry
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The other thing I am beginning to see on the data sheets for tires is cut and chip resistance. The Toyo m144 a dealer put on my new used coach show a value of 2.5
https://www.toyotires.com/commercial-tires/tire/pattern/m144-regional-to-urban-all-position-tire
Although Michelin is touting: Full Width Elastic Protector Ply Helps protect against penetrations, impacts breaks, and shocks for maximum casing durabiliy. I seem to remember seeing a tred cut and chip resistance on the MICHELINs but I can't seeem to find it now.
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A story on Goodyear from April 2018
Goodyear Knew Of Dangerous RV Tire Failures For Over 20 Years: Court Docs
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/goodyear-knew-of-dangerous-rv-tire-failures-for-over-20-years-court-docs/ar-AAvtVIA?ocid=se
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The tires in that story are the Goodyear G159 line. Those are no longer produced. I assume (hope) Goodyear learned their lesson, although I wouldn't hold my breath. This is just like the Firestone-Ford tire failures of the 90's.
The current line of Goodyear RV tires, the G670 do not have any problem reports or complaints that I've read about here or on any of the other RV forums. https://www.goodyearrvtires.com/pdfs/goodyear_rv_brochure.pdf
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Mike you need to look a little further, both Steve Huber and I have had G670's explode, I kept our coach from hitting anything Steve wasn't as lucky. I also had a Goodyear tag axle G670 explode just down the road from out house here in Wickenburg. These tire were only 5 years old, no sign of sidewall damage and inflated properly. I will not run a GY tire on anything I own. Had the same problems with their tires with my trucks.