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General Boards => Technical Support => Topic started by: Jill Goldman on June 08, 2021, 09:21:58 PM
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Hi Folks,
I am fulltime and have a 2003 37ft Beaver Patriot in need of new tires. I wanted Toyo tires, but there are no tires in my size. After a few days of research I have found Hercules tires (made by Cooper) mounted, balanced with new stems for just under $2300. I do not drive very much; stay in Oregon and Arizona for the appropriate seasons with a few side trips. Mostly the coach sits for 4 or 5 months at a time. Questions: Can I change the size slightly to make more tires available? Any recommendations? Thoughts about Hercules?
Thanks,
Jill Goldman
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Jill,
No info or opinion on Hercules. Hankook lists a 275/70R22.5 in their AH37 line, (long haul, steer & trailer) as does Continental, their Conti Coach HA3 tire. Both have received favorable reviews by Forum members. IMHO avoid Goodyear.
Steve
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Jill
I installed a new pair of TOYO M 170 275/70R22.5 on the front of my coach a year ago.
They have worked well and I'm very happy with the TOYO brand.
When buying new tires pay attention to the date codes on the tires you're buying it's not uncommon for tires to come out of a warehouse being stale dated up to 4 or 5 years .
In the truck market that's not a big deal as they get used up in a couple of years but on a motorhome you want to change out tires in the 5 to 7 year range especially on a steering axle so you can see buying a stale dated tire is counter productive as a 4 or 5 year old tire would be do for replacement in a shorter period of time regardless of miles or ware.
It's an expensive venture buying all new tires so it's important to get as current a date code as you can find however this is easier said than done as tires are built in lots and warehoused untill sold.
Hope this helps
Eric
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Eric,
Toyo's web site doesn't show a 275, only a 295 in a 22.5 diameter. In fact they show no 275s for any long haul tires that I could find.
Steve
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Steve
I'm not sure wheather they have dropped that size but the ones on my coach are date codes 11/19
Ask your dealer for product code 546080.
https://www.prioritytire.com/toyo-m170-275-70r22-5-148-145l-h-16-ply-as-a-s-all-season-tire/
https://www.toyotires.ca/tires/premium-regional-steer-radial-m170z-m170
Hope this helps
Eric
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Eric,
They apparently are available in the Canadian market but not in the US. Here's the M170 site on the US (.com) website. Note your site was .ca. https://www.toyotires.com/commercial-truck/tire/pattern/m170-regional-and-urban-steer-tire
Steve
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Jill
I would recommend you look at the Toyo M154 in size 265/75R22.5. It is a load range G tire and should be a very good fit for your application. The 265/75 is very close in functional dimensions to your original tires (diameter, loaded radius, load range, etc...). Rather than looking only at the tire size of the original tires when considering replacements, it is important to consider the specifications of closely related sizes. Make absolutely sure that any replacements have adequate load carrying capacity to carry the weight of your vehicle.
Richard
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Try looking at Sumitomo tires. I use them and am very pleased.
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I had a recent issue with tires while in Bend for service I was told to go to Bend Commercial Tire Company in Redmond. I was changing my front tires 315/80R 22.5 XZA1 and stayed with the original Michelin for ride comfort.
While heading back to BCS for the front end alignment I had a major failure on the rear drive axel that cause the axel to shift. This caused severe tire damage. I had to replace the rear tires Michelin 295/80R 22.5 XZA2 I ask Bend Commercial about using Toyo and was told they could not install this size and brand on our RV because Toyo would refuse to warranty the tires for RV use. We did install the Michelin 295/80R 22.5 XZA2. I know other have used the Toyo tires but as I said was told by Bend that they could not install Toyo on our RV.
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That is interesting, Jerry, in that haven't I read many posts here on the Forum written by folks who had Toyo tires installed on their coaches? We have five Toyo tires - of eight tires on our coach - installed by Les Schwab's in Hermiston, OR.
Our steering axle has Dunlop 315s.
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David I know that swab is doing installs of Toyo but I mentioned that the supply in Redmond (Bend Comm) used by BCS refused to install Toyo as I requested, Telling me that Toyo does not warranty the tire for RV use because of lawsuits. Bend did say that they at one time did use the brand and thought they are good tires but because Toyo would not back the tire for the RV market they could not install them.
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I believe that's" old" news because Country Coach used them and had an issue (overweight front ends ) years ago and Toyo refused to supply them because of CC putting them on too heavy a coach for the rating. I thought that was resolved some years ago when CC went under.
Funny thing Shue insisted on Toyos as part of the deal 7 years ago on the used rig I bought from them and said Michelin Were Overpriced for what they were and he wouldn't pay for them Said Toyos were just as good. LOL, I'm due for replacement I'll have to look into that. Can they can dictate what vehicle they can be on if it meets the weight requirement? A LOT of Toyos are on Motorhomes ... it's been the go-to replacement for Michelin in all the forum talk for years. I would need to see some documents on this refusal as this is the first I've heard of it. Toyo still has motorhome info and tips for use on their web site no mention of blocking motorhome use. Could it be this individual tire dealer has an issue or other reason?
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I just got off the phone after talking to my local Les Schwab Tire Center's truck department in Hermiston, OR. The fellow I spoke to indicated Schwab's does not use Toyo tires unless asked for and they can get them if requested. I asked about the "rumor" that Toyo will not carry a warranty when installed on motorhomes. The fellow did not know about that but indicated that if Schwab supplies and installs the tires, then Schwab would "probably" carry the warranty. The fellow stated the Hermiston store has no Toyos on the shelf but can get them from another store that has them. The price quoted to me today was $525 per tire for 295/80R22.5 tires including installation, new stems and valves, and one bag of balancing beads.
This interests me because I think I need to replace my dual and tag axle tires before going south in October.
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As William alludes to, years ago people were putting Toyo trucking tires on their rigs, and experiencing failures. Toyo subsequently developed a tire for motorhomers that as far as I know has had no issues. When I asked Henderson’s about mounting Toyos on our coach, they repeated the failure story and wouldn’t do it, but admitted that they weren’t aware of the new RV design. Bob Dickman Les Schwab, basically Schwab’s motorhome specialists, was aware and put the new ones on our coach. Others here use them with little to no regret. Checking Dickman’s site now is inconclusive as it doesn’t specify the RV brand offered.
Joel
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From Toyo's US Web site:
"The M144 is an all-position tire designed to deliver high mileage in regional and urban bus applications as well as other heavy hauling. Optimized tread delivers excellent traction, even wear, and ride comfort, while four-belt construction extends tire and casing life. The high mileage, excellent casing, and competitive acquisition point make the M144 the leading value alternative tire for regional and urban bus services or other heavy hauling."
Guess they (or we) see a difference between regional buses and RVs.....????
I've run M144s since 2017. Excellent performance and good ride.
Steve
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Steve
I agree with you if the if tire was designed for the riggers of truck and bus use I can't see why an RV would be a problem other than in the past RV manufacturers where well known for overloading there tires from the factory which may have lead tire manufacturers to steer away from having their products mounted on them to avoid load related failures and the eventual litigation that would follow.
Eric