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Technical Support / Engine break not engaging
« Last post by Jim Simonet on May 31, 2020, 04:15:35 PM »
Hi Everyone,

We just arrived at our summer spot in Pagosa Springs, CO from SPI, TX.  During the drive up, I noticed that when I engaged the engine break on either high or low setting the dash lights all seemed to function normally as well as the transmission shifting to 4.  Although all seemed normal, I wasn't getting any braking - it never did engage.

Is this something that I can check on myself?   It wasn't a deal breaker coming up here, but I would really like to have it working properly when I leave in late September.

Technical Support / Vent Fans Parts Replacement
« Last post by Jack W Hannah on May 31, 2020, 03:55:57 PM »
Both Fantastic vent fans in my '02 Patriot are faulty and need either parts replaced or complete replacement.
Does anyone know which Fantastic Series was originally installed in this coach and/or have any comments on which solution to choose?

Thank you,
Technical Support / Re: Secondary Filter Change
« Last post by Dave Atherton on May 31, 2020, 02:39:40 PM »
Adam, the reason why your engine started because of what is called a fuel manifold on engine the retains fuel in engine via of check
Valve at entry to manifold because your secondary fuel filter is located away from engine the filter base has the air bleed hex plug of
which loosen to bleed. I did indicate this the way engine was built and instructions in your caterpillar maintenance manual  bleed air system.
Which is very easy and simple. Than the mfg of motorhome for there own reason add on aftermarket attachment to the
fuel system on there own . This than bought many options as which is best builder of engine or builder of motorhome
and that up to you to decide what is best for you. Myself a caterpillar person not a fan of aftermarket add on attachments or aftermarket parts. Lack of understanding how different  engine each of us own is a big problem. Many
Owners have caterpillar C-9 and down engine which fuel system is different installed aftermarket attachment away
from builder of the engines , yes I can relate many repairs and problems in area called the fuel system being modified.
Dave Atherton Retired Caterpillar Mechanic
Technical Support / Re: Secondary Filter Change
« Last post by Adam Hicklin on May 31, 2020, 06:10:22 AM »
Update-  I changed the filter.  Less fuel was lost than I expected. Spun the new filter on.  Primary filter was already full and purged of air.  Ran the Racor purge air device through 2 cycles with the air purge bolt cracked on the secondary filter.  Never got any fuel to come out of the air purge bolt on the secondary.  Decided to try to start it.  The C-12 started right up.  Didn’t sputter, smoke, or skip a beat.  Not sure exactly what happened, but it worked!  Thanks for the help and guidance. 
Technical Support / Re: Battery oil?
« Last post by Chuck Jackson on May 31, 2020, 02:52:43 AM »
The chassis batteries are 12 volt and won't be a deep cycle so they don't require as specific a charging profile as the 6 volt deep cycle batteries so you won't be getting a matched set. I was able to pick up (4) Crown 220ah 6 volt AGMs for just over $900 delivered and then I got $40 for my old batteries.  You're right. They are not cheap but I have no regrets. There is nothing wrong with using the mineral oil and people have been doing it for decades but I chose not to go that route. Here are some pics of my battery tray refurb.
Technical Support / Re: Inverter replacement
« Last post by Joel Ashley on May 30, 2020, 11:59:41 PM »
It’s a drive, but not that bad from Spokane, through the Horse Heaven Hills and Hwy 97/197 to Bend.  You can’t go wrong with one of our sponsors, Jeff Spears’ Bend RV Repair or Beaver Coach Sales & Service.  And no sales tax.

Technical Support / Re: Battery oil?
« Last post by Joel Ashley on May 30, 2020, 11:46:07 PM »
Thanks for that input, Chuck.  Testing for a battery going bad with a hydrometer is important, and oil could interfere.  I’ve been planning for over a year to do the same things you did, and finally hope to get to it this coming month after the yard work and other priorities are caught up. 

I still haven’t decided wet cell or AGM;  if prices are similar to when I checked last summer, house AGM’s are 50% more, not double like they once were, but chassis ones are still more than twice “maintenance-free” wet cells.  And here I recently bought a good hydrometer and watering device 🤨.   

I assume because of the inverter and solar charger settings, I must have all batteries, both chassis and house, the same type.  That works out to $650 for all wet cells vs. at least $1510 for all AGM.  Makes it come down to whether the elimination of corrosion and regular watering is worth $860.  I’m sure prices have changed, but that basic consideration is still gonna be there.

I know, the oil thing sounded iffy to me too, which is why I sought input here.  But the fellow that writes the blog is a retired engineer with pretty good and proven technical prowess.  I had to give the idea some degree of credence.  I’ve read about the notion in the past, but passed it off as gimmicky and possibly risky ... until he mentioned he did it to the brand new batteries he just put in his Journey.

Technical Support / Re: Roof Ladder hinge
« Last post by Mike Shumack on May 30, 2020, 11:19:43 PM »
I've been looking for the fold-up hinge too. The closest I found was this Stromberg Universal Connector (hinge)

That may work if nothing else come up. The factory plastic hinge has a stop built in so it cant fold back toward the coach body when the lower ladder section is swung down. The Universal hinge one in the link above looks like it will fold in either direction (like a 270 degree sweep). So will the ladder stand-offs hold the ladder away from body when you step on it with the "Universal Connector" or does one need the factory hinge?
Technical Support / Re: 96 Patriot savannah relays
« Last post by Steve Huber Co-Admin on May 30, 2020, 10:45:42 PM »
Check the wires to and from the relays. Those going to pins 37, 87 or 87A should be labeled with the relay function.
Technical Support / Re: 96 Patriot savannah relays
« Last post by Jeff Johnson on May 30, 2020, 10:18:55 PM »
Sorry about that Steve. The drawing in question is the one my coach has on the 12 vdc electrical bay door, (just below the drivers seat) where it shows all the solenoids, relays, breakers etc. 
There are actually six ice cube or Bosch 5 pin relays lined up in a row and the diagram shows there to be only five.
The headlight relay fix works awesome btw!

Hope this helps and thank you Steve.
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