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Jose Rita:
Yes, I removed flasher jumped the connection and nothing.  So, at this point, with everyones help I am leaning toward a bad column switch. I will order and replace it.

Eric Maclean Co-Admin:
Ok Jose
With the jumper inplace disconnect the column switch harness at the base of the column and test to see if you have power there and look for bad or burnt connections.
If you have power there and the connections look good we now go back to the turn signal switch remember what I said about the
Hazzard light switch try to work it on and off several times to see if you can get a connection back in the switch.
If no luck remove the steering wheel and check the turn signal switch itself out .
From your original description it sound like the extra load from plugging in your trailer has caused a poor connection somewhere in the circuit to give up it may be right at the switch .

These switches are not very sophisticated ( a lot of plastic brass rivets and small wires ) any of which could be at fault.
There is a terminal and wiring number chart for the lower column plug in coach assist wiring for 2002 Patriot

Good luck
Eric

Jose Rita:
Hi Eric, I have spent most of my day trying to figure this out.  I do have power coming into the flasher relay.  From the relay power goes out and splices to two “ flasher out” wires.  These two wires along with wires for the front directionals, back brk and turn directionals and a horn ground wire go to a 8 pin connector at column base.  From that connector at base they go up to switch.  I have power right up to the flasher switch but nothing coming back out of the switch when either hazard or directionals activated.  So I thought switch.  I was able to order one last night and received earlier.  Unfortunately no change…big disappointment.  I noticed while testing switches new and old that, with a test light at switch power, when I activate either hazard or left right directional I lose power at switch.  Power comes back when I disengage switch…confusing.  So as much as I hate giving up, this is beyond me.
I will have to make appointment to bring it in.  Unfortunately for us I am sure that I wont get something next week.  So no trip and taking a hit on the reservations.  Oooh well.  Still gonna keep trying tho, I may get lucky.  But I dont see that happening….lol.
Thank you all for your help. 

Steve Huber:
Jose,
You may have a short to ground beyond the switch in the left signal path. The CB may be tripping and then resetting when the ground is removed. I'd first try removing the left signal bulbs and see if power passes thru the flasher switch. If not remove the left signal wires from the turn signal switch. Alternately you check path with an ohm meter. Eric may have an alternate idea.
Steve

Eric Maclean Co-Admin:
Jose
As Steve pointed out the demand is higher than you power supply is capable of.
If the power goes right to zero immediately when you load it I would suspect a weak link in the system ( a wire or connection or components that can't handle the current)
As Steve pointed out of there is a short down stream of the signal switch a good breaker should give an audible click when it trips
Have someone turn the signals on while you listen closely to the breaker if you don't hear the click move on to step one below .

1) take a jumper wire from another known good circuit breaker output to the output side of breaker which feeds this circuit to make sure you don't just have a bad circuit breaker.
If it works replace the circuit breaker
If no change
2 )take a jumper wire and go from the known good breaker output straight to the feed side of the flasher to eliminate the wire been circuit breaker and flasher as the problem .
If it works repair or replace the wire between the breaker and the flasher base
If still no change
3) leave the afore mentioned in place and now run another jumper wire from the flasher to the power feed wire going up into the column
If they work repair or replace the wire from the flasher base to the column plug
If still no signals
4) connect the two jumper wires together to by pass the flasher and see if the signal lights will light ( they won't flash this way but they should light)
This will eliminate the flasher as a suspect
if they light replace the flasher

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