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Mark Beighley

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Best Aftermarket GPS Unit?
« on: May 02, 2014, 06:49:29 PM »
We're in need of a new GPS unit for the Beav.  We've been limping along with an old Garmin and, while it's OK for the Jeep, it's not really suited for Class A navigation.  Any opinion on what works well and what to stay away from is appreciated.  Features are important too.  What "can't do without" or "really wish I had this" features advice might you share. Thanks.

Bill Dean

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Re: Best Aftermarket GPS Unit?
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2014, 08:01:29 PM »
10 years ago I purchased Co-Pilot Truck for my laptop. They now have it for iPads/iPhones. You can customize it to your rig's dimensions & weight & it keeps you away from low clearances, weight restricted bridges, etc.
it's not an RV based app with nice POI's but it does have truck stops, rest areas, etc.

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Re: Best Aftermarket GPS Unit?
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2014, 08:28:19 PM »
I think that one made for truckers would be ideal, but one I strongly suggest you stay away from is the Rand McNally model for RVers.  I had the RVND5510 and have recently junked it.  Even when it was working it led me onto a very treacherous county road on my way to Crater Lake in Oregon.  I had to drive over the center line of the road to avoid crumbling the edges of the paved road.  I was very frightened and had no where to turn around.  It was an agonizing 17 miles through beautiful hills and countryside.  On the way back it tried to make me go that route again and I said no thank you (you idiot!).   ;D  

The Garmin in my car has been very good.

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Re: Best Aftermarket GPS Unit?
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2014, 10:24:26 PM »
To Bill: Re CoPilot, the I-phone app store reviews say it doesn't work will with IOS 7 (crashes all the time requiring frequent reloading) or the I-Pad Air. I don't have an I-Pad but was thinking of buying one and using it double duty as a navigation device.  Anybody else have any experience using CoPilot Truck on an I-Pad?

To Richard: It was the Camping World ad for the Rand McNally 7725 RV GPS that got me thinking about upgrading.  But it seems no matter which device I research be it the RM, the Magellean RoadMate RV 9145, or the Garmin RV 760 LMT, they all have significant issues and as many bad reviews as good.

The main reason for upgrading my GPS is to avoid low clearance underpasses, tight corners, light ferry crossings, steep grades and otherwise unnavigable routes.

Thanks for your advice.

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Re: Best Aftermarket GPS Unit?
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2014, 10:38:58 PM »
We use our android phone's Google Maps app in conjunction with a Rand McNally RVND 7725.  We usually use the phone app for directions to our destination and the Rand McNally for oversight of our current location while traveling on the road.  The Rand McNally is adjustable from a 1/4 mile viewing range screen up to several miles, plus it knows the road's speed limit wherever I am.  Out on the open highway I select a larger screen oversight - usually 1 1/4 to 5 miles, then in city traffic I change the screen oversight down to 1/4 to 3/4 mile.  If I exceed the road's speed limit by 5mph, then the nice lady in the machine warns me of excess speed.  The Rand McNally will also give directions to a destination and is selectable as to my coach's length, height, etc., so it avoids low overpasses, etc. when I use it for directions to a destination.

Camping World has this Rand McNally RVND 7725 unit on sale over this weekend - regularly $349.99, on sale for $279.00, save $70.00.
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Dennis Crawford

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Re: Best Aftermarket GPS Unit?
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2014, 01:15:26 AM »
Mark,

I purchased the new Garmin 760LMT.  It is designed for trucks and RVs.  You can set uo a profile with or without the toad and choose accordingly.  It has lifetime maps and traffic.  I purchased a subscription to the traffic cameras.  Quite helpful.  The unit will wasrn you of narrow bridges, sharp curves, grades, etc.  It has a lot of stored POIs.  I really like my unit.

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Re: Best Aftermarket GPS Unit?
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2014, 05:36:19 AM »
We use a Garmin Streetpilot  7200. It has a 7 inch screen and is very easy to read .

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Re: Best Aftermarket GPS Unit?
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2014, 10:56:43 AM »
Keith and I (I being the co-pilot) use a Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 tablet with Google Maps along with the ALLSTAYS full camping app.  It has never steered us wrong and is so easy to use!  The fact that it's on a tablet means the screen is large and very nice to view.  We have saved more than our share of folks, who have gotten lost or been put in near impossible situations to get out of, due to their GPS systems.  I don't go anywhere without it!  The ALLSTAYS app has every possible option in their filtering system and everything you could possibly want to know from top rate campsites to parks and even pull offs!  There are even lists of RV dealers and repair facilities, bridge heights, road grades, road work, Wal Marts and other parking lots that allow camping.  It's great!  Only a one time 9.95 charge.
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Re: Best Aftermarket GPS Unit?
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2014, 12:28:49 PM »
Quote from: Dennis Crawford
Mark,

I purchased the new Garmin 760LMT.  It is designed for trucks and RVs.  You can set uo a profile with or without the toad and choose accordingly.  It has lifetime maps and traffic.  I purchased a subscription to the traffic cameras.  Quite helpful.  The unit will wasrn you of narrow bridges, sharp curves, grades, etc.  It has a lot of stored POIs.  I really like my unit.

Dennis
I'm a bit of a Garmin junkie having used various units in airplanes,  a boat, cars and now the motorhome.   The current one was the best Costco had a year ago.  I really like the traffic and that it displays the current speed limit.  

So I looked up the 760 and there seems to be a specific model for RVs.  The model number is RV760LMT.  There is a option for a wireless backup camera for those that would like to use the Aladin for engine data instead of watching the toad.

http://sites.garmin.com/rv/

https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/on-the-road/rv/cOnTheRoad-c518-p1.html

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Re: Best Aftermarket GPS Unit?
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2014, 07:03:22 PM »
To Bill and all that have added to this thread:

Thanks for all the comments.  I too have been a happy Garmin user.  And I've seen lots of good reviews on the RV760LMT. However, then I run into reviews like this:

"I've always been a Garmin fan and was thrilled to discover that Garmin had developed an RV specific GPS. I purchased the Garmin RV 760LMT and tried it out on local streets while driving my car. All went well.
About a week ago we embarked on our annual winter trek with our 41' motorhome and towed vehicle.
So far... EPIC FAIL!
First off, the unit doesn't have an option to enter our RV's propane capacities. So it will route us into restricted tunnels.
Of the eight locations we've entered into the GPS, the RV 760 has correctly led us to two!
We entered a truck stop that unit suggested. We followed the direction off the interstate and immediately got that sinking feeling that we would not find a truck stop in this residential neighborhood. Then the unit pinged and advised us that we would be 'navigating off-road' for 1.2 miles! In a 41' motorhome! When we got close to our 'truck stop' we found ourselves looking at a funeral home.
Another recommended truck stop turned out to be a convenience stop with fuel pumps. This one was impossible to access with our rig. And yes, the unit is in RV mode with all the correct parameters correctly entered.
It's disconcerting to be driving along the recommended route and get a message that says, 'Unknown if current route is suitable for your RV'. Oh my freaking Lord, I bought this thing to keep me on routes suitable for my RV!
Today the camel's back shattered. I entered tomorrow's destination into the unit. When I reviewed the route, I lost it! Had we followed the recommended route we would have driven down a long, narrow, winding road, down a steep hill to a ferry. This ferry has a 5 ton limit! I know this because we just happened to go out for a drive today and happened to be on that particular road. Our rig weighs 17 tons. And there would have been no place to turn around had we ended up down there.
It's got some nifty features. But it fails do perform the most basic features that I require in an RV dedicated GPS. That is, keep me on roads that I can travel safely, and legally.
Garmin has a lot of work to do before they can market a reliable GPS for big rigs. Buy something else or wait until Garmin works out the countless bugs in this unit."

AND THIS:

"Warning, this is about the most inaccurate gps I have ever dealt with. As a standard navigation gps I suppose it's ok, but when you are using it in RV mode that is when its issues crop up. It seems unless you are within a few miles of major highways the RV function is useless. It will display "RV accessibility unknown" on a good 50% of the smaller roads in my area (western PA). The other info it gives you such as "sharp curve ahead" or "steep hill ahead" is also essentially useless, as it does not tell you how steep or how sharp. From what I can tell it makes no difference in the route it gives you if you input your rig as 28' or 58'. The first time I used it I programmed an Army Corps campground in Vermont as a destination. Even though the gps lists the campground and its amenities it directed me to the Corps main office 7 miles away from the campground. It also sent me to a PA state park office instead of the campground on the same trip. Garmin apparently did not do enough research on the maps for this, some major RV parks, State and local parks with campgrounds, and private campgrounds are not even in its database. Save your money. use a standard gps or a map. I am beyond the Amazon 30 day policy so I am stuck with this $400 toy, you need not be."

AND THIS:

"This unit is advertised as a product that is designed to support the RV owner. As a full-timer I rely heavily on a GPS to not only give me directions to where I want to go but also give me information on camping sites and RV parks. This is the task that Garmin fails miserably at. You would think a $500 GPS, with Garmin's name on it, it would work well; what a disappointment. The database of know parks is not accurate and the search function is finicky and is grossly in-accurate. I already have a Rand McNally GPS made exclusively for RVs and it works well thanks in part to using Good Sams and and Goodalls databases of know and well documented Federal, State and local RV parks. It is amazing the difference in the two products but I was really supprised how badly this Garmin device performed. Garmin, at least to me, has always made the best GPS available, but somehow this product fell through the cracks. Evidently whoever at Garmin developed this product never went camping."

OUCH!   These 3 reviews are from Amazon.com.  Sure, there are more good reviews than bad but that makes me nervous too.  It gives me the impression that they work well until they don't (goes for any GPS).  And when they don't...be prepared to unhook your toad and back up for a mile or 2 to get out of a sticky situation...assuming it wasn't a lower than advertised overpass that just removed your mobile satellite TV antenna...or worse. Even the CoPilot Truck app for Android/IOS operating systems doesn't cover "noncommercial" truck routes...which means if you're on a Eastern US parkway that doesn't allow commercial traffic, it won't protect you.

I know there's no perfect device.  Even if there was, the databases they work from are subject to error....that 13'6" database clearance is really only 11'6".  When I lived in Maryland I had a fly-bridge cabin cruiser that when is was trailered, the radar dome was 13'8" off the pavement.  I didn't trailer it anywhere I hadn't already scouted in my pickup.  I prefer not to do that in the Beav.  I also don't want to stick to the interstates, which always represent the safest routes.

I still want to hear from others,  My 6 year old Garmin 520 Street Pilot is about 98% accurate.  However, last year it lead me to a ferry crossing even though I had it on the "Truck" setting. Fortunately I was in the Jeep...no biggie. In the Beav...a lot of extra miles would have been burned finding another Class A certified crossing.

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Re: Best Aftermarket GPS Unit?
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2014, 10:02:05 PM »
In about 9 years of using our Garmin Nuvi 350 I've learned that common sense has to be program #1 when using it or any GPS.  We only give much reliance to the device when we take it in our car;  in the coach it is used only for limited guidance, especially on State or County roads, if at all.  The first time we used it when it was new and we were in our old Pace Arrow, basically as a test of the GPS operation on highways we knew already, I goofed and allowed it to take us on a side road near Camp Sherman;  I was thinking, "Oh, cool.  A shortcut I didn't know about!"  Not.  It became basically a narrow winding service road to cabins in the Tamaracks.  Thankfully the Pace Arrow was narrow and short enough to navigate it safely and light enough to cross the short community bridge over the Metolius at the other end.  It was the first and last time the GPS was used so rambunctiously.

The main thing I fret about otherwise is low clearances, something the Nuvi, as far as I know, doesn't report on.  Even if I had a GPS that claimed such a parameter, I'd still rely on my Trucker's national guide that lays out such things.  I consult it before any day's travel into unfamiliar State or other roads.  Many if not most States have minimum clearance laws, so if I'm in a state where I know that law's number and it's well over my coach height, like Oregon, I breath relatively easy approaching tunnels and overpasses;  nevertheless of course I check the approach signage religiously.  If my Trucker's guide indicates a potential problem clearance in a State I'm approaching, I make note of it and circle it on all maps of that State in the coach, and highlight it in the guide.  So far I've never had to come within a few hundred miles of any such animal while traveling a given State, but I know where they are and generally which States present multiple threats in that regard, requiring extra vigilance.

As tempting as these latest round of so-called RV GPS units have seemed to me, I likely will continue with my present methodology as described, save my money, and stay out of trouble.

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Mark Beighley

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Re: Best Aftermarket GPS Unit?
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2014, 10:33:29 PM »
Thanks Joel,

Sound advice.   Most GPS road data bases seem to cater to either autos or 18 wheelers. Therein lies the rub. Class A's fall somewhere in between and it seems that fine tuning for them just isn't that exact a science yet.

Maybe I just need to supplement my existing Garmin with additional hard information such as the trucker's guide you mention. At least until RV GPSs become more dependable.

By the way, I lived in Bend for 8 years (90-98) and love the Metolious River...but I'll save that excursion for the Jeep!

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Re: Best Aftermarket GPS Unit?
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2014, 12:28:00 AM »
The Motor Carrier's Road Atlas is what I've used since buying the Beaver in 2006.  Besides State and Province height restrictions, it has other information useful to those navigating large vehicles of any kind.  You should be able to find it at larger truck stop venues such as Flying-J and others.  It is also available in many formats on Amazon.  If you go that route, be sure you get there via the Amazon portal off the home BAC club webpage so that the club benefits:
http://beaveramb.org/.

Joel
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Re: Best Aftermarket GPS Unit?
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2014, 11:44:31 PM »
Here I have to inject a note of caution re Garmin. We have 3 NUVIs that we use in the cars and one in the Beaver as a back-up, and have used them successfully for years.
I update the maps on-line via my Windows XP O/S..
Recently, Garmin sent out a note that said since Microsoft would be terminating support for XP, so would Garmin. This means I can no longer update my maps through the Garmin website. How riduculous is that, given the many users of Garmin products using XP and NOT willing to upgrade to the disaster called Win8?

I plan to keep using XP for the foreseeable future until M/S fixes their O/S beyond what they offer in Win8. As a result, I have brobably bought my last Garmin product.
Anyone know if Magellan or Rand McNalley have made a similar decision?
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Re: Best Aftermarket GPS Unit?
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2014, 11:32:37 PM »
We just purchased the Magellan  RoadMate Pro, seems ok so far,

1st time we used it, the directions said " Turn right at next intersection, just past the motel" It also has several warnings, we kept hearing warnings. then we noticed the warnings were at the same locations as the Law officers,
Can you say (Fuss Buster)
So far we do like" Mage" maybe tomorrow, eh!