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Title: Here is an interesting electrical phenomenon that occured this week.
Post by: Stan Simpson on September 09, 2018, 01:16:52 AM: We are on FHU at our site at the RV Park. We arrived on 9-3. All electrical systems working fine. Until, the 5th when two Newells appeared on the same line as we are (up until that time, we were the only ones on our line). One was right next to us, and the other was 4 sites down. Suddenly, without warning, the breaker for the 120 on the road side popped. I reset it and it happened again, about an hour later. It happened continuously every few hours, sometimes even sooner. That breaker handles the outlet under the kitchen table, the TV in front, and the outlets for the DISH receiver, the blu-ray player, and the box for the Winegard controller.

It got to be quite frustrating watching TV, or using the PC plugged in under the kitchen table. Yesterday, at 9:00 a.m. the two Newells left. No electrical issues since they left! The weekend is here and this place is full. There are even more coaches on the same line with us now, yet the breaker has not popped! We are still running the same things on that circuit.

Any ideas? As additional info, the Newells were from Quebec. Is there different wiring for Canada? Just seemed real strange. Perhaps a coincidence, but I really don't think so.
Title: Re: Here is an interesting electrical phenomenon that occured this week.
Post by: Jerry Emert on September 09, 2018, 01:46:06 AM: Would it irritate the old guys here if I was to answer that the Newels were alien spaceships disguised as RV's sucking your power wirelessly because they didn't have any local currency to pay for it? If so I won't!!
Sorry I crack myself up sometimes. Chew me out but don't ban me I need you! No I'm not drinking.
Jerry
Title: Re: Here is an interesting electrical phenomenon that occured this week.
Post by: Steve Huber on September 09, 2018, 02:26:20 AM: Stan,
Possibly the Newells were drawing a lot of current, causing the voltage on the pedestal line to drop. With lower voltage, your appliances would draw increased current to operate, which could cause the CBs to trip.
Steve
Title: Re: Here is an interesting electrical phenomenon that occured this week.
Post by: Stan Simpson on September 09, 2018, 04:00:05 AM: Quote from: Steve Huber Co-Admin on September 09, 2018, 02:26:20 AM
Stan,
Possibly the Newells were drawing a lot of current, causing the voltage on the pedestal line to drop. With lower voltage, your appliances would draw increased current to operate, which could cause the CBs to trip.
Steve

I forgot to mention, watching the Aladdin screen, my AC in vacillated from 120 to 115 on that leg, and most of the time I'm at a solid 119-120. But how could they reduce my voltage? We were all 50A coaches.
Title: Re: Here is an interesting electrical phenomenon that occured this week.
Post by: Stan Simpson on September 09, 2018, 04:00:41 AM: Quote from: Jerry Emert on September 09, 2018, 01:46:06 AM
Would it irritate the old guys here if I was to answer that the Newels were alien spaceships disguised as RV's sucking your power wirelessly because they didn't have any local currency to pay for it? If so I won't!!
Sorry I crack myself up sometimes. Chew me out but don't ban me I need you! No I'm not drinking.
Jerry

Still chuckling, Jerry. Thanks.
Title: Re: Here is an interesting electrical phenomenon that occured this week.
Post by: Joel Ashley on September 09, 2018, 08:14:28 AM: Newell’s have more electrical configuration features than most. From their brochure:

50-amp, two-leg electrical system; 120 and 240 volts
20kw Turbocharged diesel generator, front mount, on vibration-insulating mounts
Sine-wave inverter/charger
Remote inverter/charger control panel with data display (like ours)
Automatic shoreline/generator transfer switch (like ours)
Automatic surge protection and fault protection (like ours)
Shoreline splitter cord
(50-amp, 2x30-amp, 1x30-amp, or 20-amp hookup)

Joel
Title: Re: Here is an interesting electrical phenomenon that occured this week.
Post by: Steve Huber on September 09, 2018, 01:33:10 PM: Stan,
The volatge was probably being pulled down along the complete pedestal line.
Steve
Title: Re: Here is an interesting electrical phenomenon that occured this week.
Post by: Fred Brooks on September 09, 2018, 10:06:22 PM: Hey Jerry, Love your sense of HUMOR! Ya think hey?
Newells are energy dependent and do operate on the edge of the 100 amps available to them. Why would you put a 20k
Gen in a coach. To them, running on a 50amp plug is like us trying to run on a 30amp adaptor.
The circuit that was tripping does run thru your inverter and perhaps is more sensitive to voltage fluctuations.
Blessings & Joy, Fred Brooks
Title: Re: Here is an interesting electrical phenomenon that occured this week.
Post by: Doug Allman on September 10, 2018, 01:24:58 PM: The GREAT SUCKER theory is then very correct. A TURBOCHARGED diesel 20KW gen set I believe tells the whole story as to what they draw for needed power.
Title: Re: Here is an interesting electrical phenomenon that occured this week.
Post by: Stan Simpson on September 10, 2018, 03:58:30 PM: Thank you, gentlemen, for figuring this out. As an update, the entire line I'm on was completely full this past weekend. No electrical issues. No Newells either.
Title: Re: Here is an interesting electrical phenomenon that occured this week.
Post by: Dennis Belfils on September 13, 2018, 04:57:42 PM: We had the same problem as you. Took awhile, because the breaker tripping was random, but upon reviewing the electrical schematics, turns out the ice maker is also on the same circuit. The breaker would trip during the harvest cycle. Confirmed the problem by swapping the plugs outside behind the refer access panel as they are two separate circuits. That fixed the problem until the ice maker completely stopped harvesting. Bought a replacement from Amazon, no more trouble. Hope this helps...…………..