2001 Patriot Concord 33' Manufacturer plate missing

[Mack Turner]

Does anyone have a 2001 Patriot Concord 33' that still has the original manufacturers sticker or plate by the driver's seat that shows information about proper tire pressures, mine has carpet on the wall there and I can't locate it anywhere in the coach?

[Jerry Carr]

Mack I would try Beaver Coach Sales they will have this information

[Steve Huber Co-Admin]

Mack,
To determine proper inflation pressures weigh the coach, fully loaded, and determine the weights on each corner. The manufacturer plate is based on max weight on each axle and assumes equal weight on each end of the axle.. However, actual weight will be different when comparing one side of the axle to the other. Strongly urge you to read "Tire Inflation Guidelines" in the Common Problems section under the Technical tab on the club website  https://www.beaveramb.org/Common-Problems
Steve

[Carl Boger]

Not a Concord, but a Savannah.  Same Coach without the slide so this should get you close or be the same

[Mack Turner]

Thank you very much for the help.

[Roy Warren Co-Admin]

Mack,
I would strongly advise you look up the tire inflation for your brand and size of tire.  You can usually locate this in the tire manufacturer's charts where you have weight versus air pressure.  You will have the tire inflation data then for single tires and for dual tires.  Weight your coach as Steve suggested on each corner, then try to balance the weight then use the inflation chart to determine the correct air pressure.  Remember there have been numerous improvements in the tires since your chart was posted and the data on the weight tags inside the coach were done for a specific brand of tire at the time of coach build.
Roy Warren

[Mack Turner]

The problem I've run into is the coach weighs less than the lowest table value show. After doing some digging I've discovered those tables were all produced by the same people, the national tire and rim association. If I look up 275/70r22.5 tire inflation table for any brand they're all the same. For a single axle the lowest weight starts at 4920 and my coach is 4620 on the front axle per tire and the lowest value in the chart is 4590 for the dual rear axle and mine is 4380 per tire. if I go specifically by the tire inflation table and just use the lowest value for that tire, I'd be running 85 lb and all my tires. That just can't be right?

[Eric Maclean]

Mack
If you look at the Toyo RV tire inflation chart for your 275/70R22.5 the load rating at 70 PSI is 4230 LBs
And at 75 PSI is 4470 Lbs.
Keep in mind that you need a load buffer incase of water left on board or other weight added or distribution variations
I try to keep a 500 lb buffer above the actual load rating especially on the front tires where a blow out can be catastrophic
Hope this helps
Eric

[Bill Lampkin]

Tire failures occur primarily due to under inflation causing high tire temps. If it were my coach, I would inflate my tires to the pressure listed on the tire sidewall, that is, the "Minimum pressure required to carry the Maximum weight". After you have your coach weighed, then you can adjust the pressure if needed.

If you want to learn about tires, see: https://www.rvtiresafety.net/



 

[Steve Huber Co-Admin]

Mack,
When weighing, the coach should be fully loaded including a full  tank of fuel and a full fresh water tank. Also should have it equipped for traveling. I weighed mine just after leaving on a trip and fueling at the truck stop that had the scales.
Steve

[Eric Maclean]

Mack
What brand and load rating tires do you have on the coach now.
Eric

[Mack Turner]

First of all thanks for the information everyone I do appreciate it. The tires that came on the coach are a 3-year-old Sumitumo 275/70R 22.5 load range H. I don't know about the load range but it is the exact size tire the manual calls for and I had the coach weighed with a full tank of gas and a full tank of fresh water and had been staying in it for over a week out of town with all my stuff so not sure what else I might not be considering. Every tire place I have spoke with has told me due to some lawsuit between Ford and someone over an accident the recommended tire pressure is on the tag from the coach manufacturer. US customer service for Sumitomo tires told me I had to go by the manufacturers plate as well. The coach is roughly 30,000 lb so I'm not sure what load rating tire I should be using, when I look up the recommended tire size from my Beaver manual every tire is a load rage H. I guess the closest I'm going to get is to use the pressures as stated on the beaver tag of another coach that is very similar in weight. We both have a 33-ft magnum chassis I just have a slide and his doesn't. Called Beaver coaches and was informed that Monaco destroyed all records for coaches 2001 and older. Missed it by a year🥺

[Steve Huber Co-Admin]

Mack,
I can't prove it but I strongly suspect someone increased the tire size on your coach. While the 2001 Patriot brochure states 275s for all models it seems to make little sense (to me) that you would need the same size and load range tire on both a 40' and a 33' coach, considering the obvious weight difference. The 2001 Monterey came in 30' and 36' models with GVWR of 29K and GVCR of 34K, much closer to your weights than those listed for the 01 Patriots and specifies 265/75 R22s.
Based on the weights you stated, your GVCR is ~27K if I calculated correctly (4620x2 +4380x4).
Steve

[Mack Turner]

I initially thought the tire size may have been changed as well but another member named Carl has a 33-ft magnum chassis little older coach and from what we can tell the only difference is I have a slide and his weight tags from Beaver calls for the 275 70 r 22.5. I think I'll place another message on the board to find out if anyone else has a 2001 33' Patriot Concord with the single slide and see what their manufacturer tag has on it. This can't be the only 2001 Beaver Patriot Concorde still in existence.

[Roy Warren Co-Admin]

Mack,
I recommend you log onto www.beaveramb.org and "Members Only" select the directory.
Use the "advanced search" and for Model year use "2001", for model use  "Patriot" and for length use "33".  You will find 5 or 6 names of others in the club who own these models.  You might call each of them and maybe they could help you.
Roy Warren