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Mark Willson

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Rear axle ratio and optimum cruising rpm
« on: November 10, 2020, 06:45:44 PM »
I have newly purchased 1996 Beaver Monterey 3604 with a CAT 3126 300HP  with a 6 spd Allison transmission. The current tires are 255/70R22.50 (36.4" diameter) Toyos (which need to be replaced).

Current max speed is about 62 mph at 2200 rpm (HP peak) and 55 mph at 1950 in 6th gear (double checked by GPS).

The torque peak on this engine is 1440 with 860 TQ.

Everything I read says that the optimum cruising rpm is about 100-200 rpm over torque peak (1440), making the target rpm about 1600--ours is over 350 rpm higher than that at 55 (~21% higher).

Is this normal for a Beaver of this age? Should I consider changing axle ratios? No amount of tires size increase will get me in the right range.

I don't feel comfortable running the motorhome like a boat--at max hp for a very modest top speed on flat level ground.

Any guidance would be appreciated.

-Mark




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Re: Rear axle ratio and optimum cruising rpm
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2020, 08:45:55 PM »
Mark,
 Google UNDERSTANDING COACH / RV PERFORMANCE.  You may find some useful info there. It's also available in Common Problems on the BAC website in the technical section.
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Mike Shumack

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Re: Rear axle ratio and optimum cruising rpm
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2020, 09:01:44 PM »
Your Coach has a 5.29:1 gear ratio now. The stock tires (9R22.5 according to the '96 Monterey brochure) are approximately 38.2" tall.

How did you get tires that are only 36.4" diameter? Did previous owner install the wrong size? Perhaps another Monterey owner can confirm.

Toyo has their M170 9R/22.5 tire listed as 38.2" diameter.

« Last Edit: November 10, 2020, 09:09:03 PM by Mike Shumack »

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Re: Rear axle ratio and optimum cruising rpm
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2020, 09:47:23 PM »
Mark
There should be a sticker on the wall beside the driver's seat which will give you the factory installed tire size I believe that coach would have come standard with the 255/70R22.5
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Mark Willson

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Re: Rear axle ratio and optimum cruising rpm
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2020, 12:19:43 AM »
I did confirm a few things:

1) The axle ratio is 5.29 according to the tag on the axle

2) The data plate does show 9R22.5 as the stock tire, but the manual also shows both the 9R22.5 and the 255/70R22.5 (which are definitely smaller by 1.5")

3) It appears that a 1996 beaver could be had with either a 250Hp or 300Hp 3126 (this is a 300hp according to the engine data plate). Maybe the small tire was suppose to give more oomph for the 250 model.

4) The coach has 8.25" alcoa wheels (all six). Appears to have come from the factory that way. Both the specified tires show 7.50 as std.

5) According to the specs the 9R22.5 have barely enough load capacity to handle coach's 25,900 GVWR (by like 50 pounds). The 255/70's have 15-20% more capacity.

6) The current Toyo's are only speed rated for 65 mph.

7) According to what I've read elsewhere, some allison's were programmed not to use 6th gear (though show that it is). If that's so, a rpm calculator shows 5.29 gears with .74 5th gear at 2200 rpm and with 255/70r22.5 tires does only go a little under 62 mph--which jives with what my coach is doing.

8) On tire sizes my coach makes it a little easier by not having an air bag suspension to worry about (leaf springs are used instead).

My current approach is to:

1) use a L rated (75 mph) 275/70R22.5. This should get the tire height closer to original, better match the bigger rims, and hopefully provide a better ride with more side height and lower pressure.

2) Go to an allison service location and have them reconfigure the transmission to use 6th. Supposedly the reconfiguration is a relatively (~$100) inexpensive process.

Those two changes would allow a economical cruise speed of 55 mph @ 1650 rpm and yet allow a theoretical top speed of about 73.

I might be able to go to a 275/75 or 295/80 (though it would be close on the wheel wheels during turns), but I'm not convinced that there's any real advantage to doing that.

Comments?

-Mark


Mike Shumack

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Re: Rear axle ratio and optimum cruising rpm
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2020, 05:14:16 PM »

My current approach is to:

1) use a L rated (75 mph) 275/70R22.5. This should get the tire height closer to original, better match the bigger rims, and hopefully provide a better ride with more side height and lower pressure.

2) Go to an allison service location and have them reconfigure the transmission to use 6th. Supposedly the reconfiguration is a relatively (~$100) inexpensive process.

Those two changes would allow a economical cruise speed of 55 mph @ 1650 rpm and yet allow a theoretical top speed of about 73.

-Mark

That is what I would do if it was my Coach.
Good luck.