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Joe Rhea

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slide problem
« on: July 02, 2016, 01:54:55 PM »
My right rear slide will not extend. It is a solinod problem I think. Does anyone know which solinod I should be looking at? The sissor rams are extended at this time. Is there a sequence of trouble shooting I should go through? I don't completely understand how the hydrolic pump works.

Lee Welbanks

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Re: slide problem
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2016, 02:11:26 PM »
Joe,
Do the rest of the slides work? When you hit the button for this slide can you hear the hyd pump run? I assume yours is a HWH system and on their web site there are manuals for about everything they make.
There is a solenoid on the hyd pump motor that controls the motor when you hit the button, there are also two solenoid valves on the manifold, one for extend and one for retract. If the hyd motor does not run when you hit the switch it is probably the solenoid or possibly the switch you are pushing.

Joe Rhea

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Re: slide problem
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2016, 06:03:50 PM »
Thanks Lee for your reponse:
Yes all the other 3 slides work.
Yes I hear the pump motor running in both directions, but no movement on slide.
Joe Rhea

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Re: slide problem
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2016, 07:50:25 PM »
Joe,
I think your rear slides are electric, not hydraulic. Might want to check the documentation.
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Re: slide problem
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2016, 08:52:40 PM »
Steve, his passenger side bedroom slide is hydraulic.  Only the one with the bed should be electric.

It could be a bad wire connection at the solenoid, since the pump runs indicating the wall switch and pump motor wiring is OK.  Following at the end of this is a copy of my post on the topic last fall, which may help with sorting out solenoids. 

Most likely the solenoids involved are the second set of opposed ones working from the pump motor out.  If you don't have hydraulic jacks, then like me you probably only have 6 (3 sets) of solenoids on your manifold, and the set in question should be the middle one.

Make certain the coach is blocked properly before crawling under there so it can't come down on you unexpectedly.  Now admittedly I've never actually tried this myself, but its a technique my GM service rep brother-in-law taught me for internal engine diagnoses, and could conceivably be useful here:  try having someone hit the switches while your ear is to the handle end of a large screwdriver pressed alternatively to each solenoid.  You may (or may not) be able to discern which isn't opening when it's asked to;  you'll have to be able to communicate with one another - I'd use walkie-talkies if you have them.  You could always first try simply wiggling the wires to see if they're loose or get a response at the helper's position. 

If the solenoids seem to both respond for that slide, then I'd suspect a faulty ram behind the slideout, or something jamming either the scissors or the slide box itself.  A jam I'd suspect would make the pump squeal though, which you'd have noticed already.

I'm confused by your statement that the slide is apparently now inboard, but the scissors are "extended" - to me they would be retracted in that position.  Regardless, the first easy check is to make sure nothing has fallen behind and is blocking the slide from going out.

It's also possible given that particular slide is furthest from the pump, that you have low fluid or a leak along that hose route.  The bolt/cap for the tank is forwardmost atop it, so you can check the fluid level, which may not be easy given its accessibility limitations.

-Joel

Posted last October:
"Here's the way I think things are arranged for those of us with several slideouts, as partially plagiarized from another resource:

The slides are numbered one, two, three, four in a counter-clockwise direction starting with the one behind the driver.   So if you had 4 slides hydraulically operated then the streetside frontmost is #1 and the front one on the curbside is #4.

The hydraulic solenoid valves are numbered similarly starting with the set closest to the pump and moving outward. So the set closest to the pump would be for slide #1 and the set furthest away is for slide #4.

The wrinkle for us with 4 slides is that slide #2, usually the bed, is electric and that implies slide #3, curbside bedroom scissors-type, would be run by the second solenoid set.  Set 3 would then be for the curbside front slide.  I think solenoid #4 is for hydraulic jacks if you have them."
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Joe Rhea

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Re: slide problem
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2016, 09:29:14 PM »
Joel
when the scissors are extended or slide out the rams are in. I'm able to see the slide components. The  bed is hydraulic also. Went HWH web site and seen what you are referring to. Do you know what the ohm the coils should read to be OK? Not sure as to what part numbers for replacement solinods
We were lucky to have this problem happen while the slide was in instead of out.It was a inconvenience but livable. We were in Niagara Falls when the problem occurred.
This makes me wonder how to get the slide in if the failure was the other way. You would think they would have provided some way to pull the slide in with a come-a-long or boat wench. The two 12ft slides have provisions to get them in.

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Re: slide problem
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2016, 09:45:42 PM »
Yours would be the first I've heard of where the left rear slide (bed) wasn't electric.  Can't advise you on the resistance numbers, nor the solenoid part no. for sure.  When ours leaked under warranty, they used RAP90729;  your coach is a slightly different model, but close enough that the solenoids may not vary.  Best to check with HWH tech support or BCS Tuesday;  you're unlikely to find the part this weekend anyway.  I've read where some claim to have disassembled solenoids and cleaned blockages or replaced bad O rings as a fix, saving the cost of new solenoids.

I'd still check your fluid level, 'cause that is a quicker fix if its the real problem.

If you need directions from the manual re. manually moving slides, let me know and I'll include them here as I have in past related threads.  It doesn't sound like you need to push one in anyway, but knowing the solenoid adjustment parameters can be important when messing with them.

Joel
« Last Edit: July 03, 2016, 09:03:36 AM by Joel Ashley »
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Joe Rhea

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Re: slide problem
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2016, 12:11:09 AM »
Thanks Joel
I will tackle this next week. We are back in San Leon and the pressure is off. I have other fish to fry.
Thanks again
Joe Rhea

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Re: slide problem
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2016, 09:14:45 PM »
Joel:
I was lucky, the slide problem turned out to be a loose connection. You can mark this down in your book all four slides are hydraulic on the same pump system. The gen set is hydraulic also with it's own motor mounted on the ram. Thanks again for the information you supplied. I'm interested in how the instructions are to get the slide in. The only thing I found was to open the check valves on the solinods and get several people to help push it in.

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Re: slide problem
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2016, 09:59:15 PM »
Thought I'd posted this recently already, but this only confirms what you've already read somewhere.  Glad you found the problem.
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Re: slide problem
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2016, 03:35:05 AM »
Thought I'd posted this recently already, but this only confirms what you've already read somewhere.  Glad you found the problem.
-Joel
Yes you posted it for me Joel.  I've found that all 3 of my slides are electric though.  I have to post in the other thread also.  Thanks.
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