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Roger Rempe

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Inverter/alternator overload damage?
« on: May 13, 2017, 05:11:19 PM »
Pulled into a campground yesterday after doing 200+ miles on some rather rough highway. Just before shutting down the engine, I noticed that the dash volt meter was jumping back and forth between about 12 and 16 volts. I shut the engine down and noticed a fault message on the Magnum control panel of "high battery". I was running with the inverter on for the residential fridge as I've done in the past with no problems but, this time I also ran the dash AC. The odd thing was when we got to our site to set up, both satellite boxes were on and weren't when we started the trip. After awhile, the fault light went out. So, I started the engine and everything seemed fine. The dash meter held steady on about 14v.
Could having all of these devices on cause damage to the alternator or worse and should I be lining up a shop visit? We're on a trek to get to Iowa City and are currently in Ogallala, NE. Just in case, can anyone recommend a good repair facility along that stretch of I-80?

Steve Huber

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Re: Inverter/alternator overload damage?
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2017, 06:37:08 PM »
Roger,
Sounds like the sense wire between the chassis batteries and the alternator may be slightly loose. Shouldn't be too tough to check as you should have pretty good access to both batteries and alternator.
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Roger Rempe

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Re: Inverter/alternator overload damage?
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2017, 08:22:44 PM »
Steve, the sensor wire seemed tight enough but I loosened and reset 'em. The weird thing is that now my keyless entry pad chirps every time you touch a number...never did that before. (This started before I tightened). Electricity sure can be a funny thing.

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Re: Inverter/alternator overload damage?
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2017, 08:50:06 PM »
A tone each time a button is pressed is normal (at least mine has always done that and works well).
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Edward Buker

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Re: Inverter/alternator overload damage?
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2017, 08:53:46 PM »
Roger,

Along the lines of what Steve has brought up, any loose or corroded lead in that path of the alternator sensing voltage can cause the regulated voltage to be unstable. Along with the sense wire I would check the battery post leads, the + sense lead that Steve brought up as well as the ground wire on the alternator and where it ties to a post or RV ground engine/frame. Any dropping of voltage on the sense + to ground (which can also be caused by the ground side), due to real load changes or bad connections, causes the regulator to signal for increased output. If the connections are all good and the problem persists then the alternator should be checked out.

From experience, I had this issue when one of the smaller wires to the regulator was down to just one or two copper strands due to vibration breaking strands at the crimp connection of the lug connector. Hard to see, found it wiggling the wire at the connector. A good practice is to form a coil of a few turns, like a spring, right before the terminal to dampen any vibration at the lug if you find you have that issue.

Lastly with the fridge is pulling a significant load through the inverter and then having the fridge compressor kick off makes me wonder if that change in load is somehow causing an alternator response that produces over voltage. It may be worth seeing if the problem voltage change can be toggled on and off with the inverter on and fridge compressor being on and then the load being off at moderate engine RPMs.

Being cautious, if you see the problem again and can get some voltage meter leads from the sense wire to ground and that voltage is stable while the alternator output voltage is wandering then it is the alternator regulator or or internal components.

Later Ed

Russ Mann

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Re: Inverter/alternator overload damage?
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2017, 03:23:46 AM »
Just 2 cents about the alternator. My voltage was jumping between 13V and 16V and all the lights, while driving, were oscillating dim and bright. Was in Bend and they wanted to replace the alternator at a cost of $485.00. I never replace alternators, I have them rebuilt. Had them remove the alternator and took it to a re-builder, tested to confirm regulator was bad. Had them replace regulator and diodes and bearings. Works great at less than half the cost of a new one. Also was told this was a 180 AMP Leece-Neville but actually is a 160 AMP. Monaco build sheet has number as LBP2180 and shop thought the 180 meant a 180 AMP unit. This was not BCS but another excellent shop in BEND.

Bart Mix

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Re: Inverter/alternator overload damage?
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2017, 04:19:39 AM »
Russ - just FYI I also had the 160 amp alternator on my 03 ISC 350 Cummins. 8 years ago when my 160 amp alternator failed, due to time & availability, I went to a 180 amp alternator. Just 2 years ago my 180 was failing so after some research, I up sized again to a 210 amp alternator. My alternator shop sold me the 210 amp alternator cheaper than a rebuild of the 180 amp? Neither of the alternator up sizing required any other changes/modifications & the 210 amp alternator has worked just fine under a variety of loads so far. I also have 6 solar panels which charges while on the road so all of my batteries stay well maintained/charged. Looking at changing out my Norcold 1200 LRIM for a residential refrigerator later this year.
Bart from VA