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Marty and Suzie Schenck

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Bedroom slide not working
« on: May 30, 2013, 03:51:58 AM »
2002 Patriot Thunder bedroom slide has been acting up lately. Have to rock the slide switch to in then out before it moves in any direction. This last weekend it called it quits. I am able to put 12v power directly to the motor and move it in and out by reversing the polarity so the motor is good. The in and out switch works with a continuity meter but it's hard to figure out where each of the five pins go to because the wires are not labeled. Is there a fuse anywhere for that slide? Thanks Marty

Edward Buker

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Re: Bedroom slide not working
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2013, 04:59:03 AM »
Marty,

I'm not sure if this is your problem but I had the bedroom slide get balky and sometimes I had to apply the in, then the out, switch position many times before something would happen. I had this happen somewhat randomly but more often recently. The other thing is it seemed like my slide was laboring a bit and moving slower than I thought it might. I oiled and lubed the chain and any friction points thinking that might help but it did not seem to improve the laboring of the mechanism.

We set out to leave AL several weeks ago and when we were ready to leave I hit the slide switch and nothing. That forced me to take a much harder look given this was disabling our travels. I put an amp probe on the motor wires and found current was being drawn at the 10-20 amp level when I applied the switch. What surprised me is that there was absolutely no movement or sound, not even a telltale hum. Pondered this all a bit... On the end of the motor shaft was what appeared to be an electric brake of some kind. I removed it and found the slide would now move in and out using the switch. The brake is wired in parallel with the motor. When you hit the switch it is built to release on power and lock with power off. This unit was locked all the time. I tapped it on some nearby metal framing and found some white corrosion dropped out of it. I pulled out some brake cleaning spray and sprayed the assembly, then added a drop of oil to the center brake shaft mechanism. I did some short power cycles and used a screw driver to rotate the slotted center shaft on the brake that couples to the motor shaft until it moved freely. I put it all back together and it has all worked perfectly ever since and certainly the slide drive moves more freely. Evidently this brake has been dragging for some time and I think this brake cleaning should be a maintenance item at some interval, maybe at the first sign of laboring or non movement when applying the switch. One last note, the bottom DC breaker CK12 did kick once so you might want to reset that to be sure that is not an issue. Brake photo attached. I spoke with Gerald about this and he told me that he has a non electric mechanical brake so not all coaches have this version of brake. If your brake has no wires you have the mechanical version and you may still want to verify that it is adjusted so as to not add excessive friction. Hope this helps.

Later Ed
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Edward Buker

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Re: Bedroom slide not working
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2013, 02:58:57 PM »
Marty,

Given the small wire size used for the slide switch in the TV cabinet, there must be a relay involved somewhere. I was not on that path given I had power at the motor and I do not know where it might be located. It would make sense to have it near the motor but you never know. If someone has already hunted that relay down or has some insight let us know.

Later Ed

Marty and Suzie Schenck

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Re: Bedroom slide not working
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2013, 03:02:49 PM »
Thank you Ed. That is exactly the same brake that is on mine. I thought the circuit breakers on these were self reseting (no reset button like on an airplane). How do you reset them. I am quessing that is the problem now because with that brake slid back on the studs the motor still isn't getting power in or out. There is a relay behind the switch and conected to it inside the TV cabinet, that was the next thing I was going to check. Thanks, Marty

Dick Simonis

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Re: Bedroom slide not working
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2013, 03:17:22 PM »
On mine, there is what appears to be a relay in the TV cabinet.  Found it when I changed to TV.

Edward Buker

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Re: Bedroom slide not working
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2013, 05:07:55 PM »
The breaker is on the left panel in the back closet. Those are 12v breakers just flip them off and on to reset.
I'm assuming yours is configured like mine. It is a black labeled panel. Dick thanks for the relay info,
Do you remember if the switch was wired to the relay?
Later Ed

Dick Simonis

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Re: Bedroom slide not working
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2013, 06:28:28 PM »
Ed, while I didn't pay a lot of attention at the time, I'm pretty sure that it was.

Marty and Suzie Schenck

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Re: Bedroom slide not working
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2013, 12:13:21 AM »
Thank you Ed and Dick. Ed you were spot on. I had forgotten all about the panel in the closet (I feel kinda foolish). Mine were fuses and not breakers. Circuit CKT6 was for the bedroom slide with a 15amp fuse that was blown. With the magnetic brake slid back on it's studs, the slide moves ever so smoothly. I think I will clean it like you did Ed, then reinstall it. Thanks again, Marty

Edward Buker

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Re: Bedroom slide not working
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2013, 12:39:01 AM »
Great news......no feeling foolish, these coaches are complicated and it is all trial and error...mostly error on my part.
Glad you found the issue and you will be happy that you lubed the brake.

Later Ed
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Re: Bedroom slide not working
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2013, 10:10:56 AM »
Thanks for the posting Ed, Marty and Dick.  We are new owners of a 2002 Marquis having moved up from  a Pat.  We are looking for the problems unique to this coach to fix before they break.  I have been concerned about how slowly the bedroom slide works.  This will be a big help.
Any other pointers for this model are appreciated.

FYI.  BCS mechanic (Steve) showed me a zerk fitting on the steering box that is almost always missed becuse it has a black cap on the black steering box and is hard to see.  This lubes the worm drive in the steering box and so is fairly important.  Ours is so dry it may have never been lubed.  This is a small zerk fitting on the wheel side of the box.

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Re: Bedroom slide not working
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2017, 09:58:03 PM »
Marty,

I'm not sure if this is your problem but I had the bedroom slide get balky and sometimes I had to apply the in, then the out, switch position many times before something would happen. I had this happen somewhat randomly but more often recently. The other thing is it seemed like my slide was laboring a bit and moving slower than I thought it might. I oiled and lubed the chain and any friction points thinking that might help but it did not seem to improve the laboring of the mechanism.

We set out to leave AL several weeks ago and when we were ready to leave I hit the slide switch and nothing. That forced me to take a much harder look given this was disabling our travels. I put an amp probe on the motor wires and found current was being drawn at the 10-20 amp level when I applied the switch. What surprised me is that there was absolutely no movement or sound, not even a telltale hum. Pondered this all a bit... On the end of the motor shaft was what appeared to be an electric brake of some kind. I removed it and found the slide would now move in and out using the switch. The brake is wired in parallel with the motor. When you hit the switch it is built to release on power and lock with power off. This unit was locked all the time. I tapped it on some nearby metal framing and found some white corrosion dropped out of it. I pulled out some brake cleaning spray and sprayed the assembly, then added a drop of oil to the center brake shaft mechanism. I did some short power cycles and used a screw driver to rotate the slotted center shaft on the brake that couples to the motor shaft until it moved freely. I put it all back together and it has all worked perfectly ever since and certainly the slide drive moves more freely. Evidently this brake has been dragging for some time and I think this brake cleaning should be a maintenance item at some interval, maybe at the first sign of laboring or non movement when applying the switch. One last note, the bottom DC breaker CK12 did kick once so you might want to reset that to be sure that is not an issue. Brake photo attached. I spoke with Gerald about this and he told me that he has a non electric mechanical brake so not all coaches have this version of brake. If your brake has no wires you have the mechanical version and you may still want to verify that it is adjusted so as to not add excessive friction. Hope this helps.

Later Ed
Ed, this is a post that just keeps on giving!  I had this problem today and Gerald pointed it out to me.  This was a little before my time in BAC so I hadn't seen it.  Your directions worked well and it is Fixed for now.  I used CRC electronic cleaner.  Thanks.
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Re: Bedroom slide not working
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2017, 04:23:21 AM »
A four year old post that is relevant!  Amazing!

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Re: Bedroom slide not working
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2021, 03:29:20 PM »
Our bedroom slide has the same issues. However we replaced the motor with a new one. We’re only getting like 10 amp to the motor and it doesn’t release the brake. We replaced the 15amp fuse with a 20 and used a thicker wire from the fuse to the relay and still nothing. Any thoughts?

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Re: Bedroom slide not working
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2021, 04:16:11 PM »
    Mark, Check the relay back behind the switch that was previously mentioned. Real easy to over look because any kind of TV update in that cabinet ends up covering it up and obscuring its location. Hope this helps, Fred
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Re: Bedroom slide not working
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2021, 05:00:37 PM »
Ed
It's good to to hear from you again it's been a while
I always enjoyed your posts
Welcome back

Oops just realized how old those posts are.
Oh well still miss Ed's posts.
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