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Mike Groves

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Lost Fridge (I think) Circuit
« on: September 13, 2016, 01:26:19 PM »
All,

Yesterday Margaret started the dishwasher and noticed no hot water.  We have an oasis combi with a 1500W immersion element in it which up to yesterday has provided enough hot water on its own to run the dishwasher.

Our original 20amp line to the original Hurricane failed a long time ago, so I wired a connection to the outlet on the wall immediately next to the bay where the new combi has replaced the hurricane.  That line is on the original fridge circuit which also feeds the basement outlets (or at least that's what I think).  Anyway, up until we replaced our fridge I always knew that I might blow the circuit because that's a 15amp circuit so far as I know.  However, since replacing the fridge with the Samsung the fridge is now part of the inverter circuit which left the original fridge circuit entirely free.  Therefore given the 1500W required of the combi I no longer felt I was in too much danger of blowing the circuit I am now using.  Since then the original circuit remains OFF but when I did test it, there was voltage there but only in the 60-70 volt range rather than the required 110-120.  I never again attempted to fix it.

Which brings me to yesterday's issue.  My immediate thought after checking the fridge breaker (in the back bedroom closet above the bed) was that a GFCI outlet blew.  I have not one but 2 GFCI outlets on the wall of the black/grey tanks enclosure (but on the outer wall of that enclosure and easily accessible by opening that bay door there or the next one frontward.  In other words these 2 GFCI outlets are on the same wall as the CMP monitoring electronic boxes. 

Since I had a rubber storage (trash container) with my air hose in front of those two GFCI outlets I initially tried to reach around (without seeing the actual outlet) and find by feel the reset switch.  I did press something and heard a "CLICK" but that didn't restore the power to the combi.  So, I removed my rubber storage vessel and found the following.  On the top GFCI outlet both switches were "springy" but neither would press and lock in.  And on the bottom GFCI outlet neither was "springy" by that I mean neither would press in, they appeared STUCK in whatever position there are in.

I had only been able initially to press one of the buttons on the top GFCI outlet, so the bottom one I am guessing must have been in its STUCK condition before I got there yesterday to look into this issue.

4 questions -

1)  Does a GFCI fail in the "stuck" condition where neither switch will even move?  Does that indicate failure?
2)  Why are there 2 GFCIs on the one fridge/basement circuit?
3)  If these are not on the same circuit, could one be on the 20amp that is dedicated to the "hurricane" cabinet and could that be the problem I am having with power to that cabinet?
4)  Are there any wiring diagrams available?

Thanks, Mike

Mike Groves

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Re: Lost Fridge (I think) Circuit
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2016, 09:07:07 PM »
All,

In my continued troubleshooting on this issue one outlet is on the inverter and while it appears to be a ground fault outlet, neither button does anything.  I believe its a termination outlet for the basement TV if you wanted one.

The other GFCI outlet is on the fridge circuit and I tested the outlet at the fridge (no longer used because of Samsung fridge) and its dead.  So, what I have is a problem I suffered about 3 years ago, when I lost the fridge circuit when I did need it to run the original fridge.

I "fixed it" by accidently plugging something into the outlet at the base of the refrigerator box (which is located close by the Gas Shutoff control device).  After I'd plugged my computer into that outlet, suddenly the circuit worked again and has worked up until yesterday.

Now that outlet is covered by my remodel since we had a credenza/table placed there.  I have reached out to RV Outfitters for the best way to proceed.  I need to get to that covered outlet and simply use it as a junction box rather than an outlet. 

Mike

Mike Groves

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Re: Lost Fridge (I think) Circuit
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2016, 10:52:41 PM »
For now what we've done is to plug in our Oasis using an extension oord and the 110 on the site power pedestal.

Mike