Hi there thanks to all of you that provided input,solutions and drawings. After days of crawling, reading and eliminating I got a green travel light. this is what it came down to on the 4th day I finally decided to get under the front not seeing anything in the back that jumped out at me. Here is just a little coach history, that I had the experience I would have explained in the first post.
I have a HWH air and IDS hydraulic system when purchasing the coach the prior owner was up front that the Hydraulic system was disconnected, reason being that the puck on rear driver had fallen off the ram during travels and that with it being missing it would not hit the pin switch to send the all up signal.this was diagnosed at BCS the owner who had rung up quite a bill on that visit chose option B which was raise all the jacks and disconnect the electrical to the IDS pad rendering the system inoperable, as well as the warning system.
As I crawled under the front I saw the front passenger ram extended and resting on the perch same on the passenger side rears were extended but operating the bags had depressed them. At that point I reconnected the IDS pad and retracted the rams., again I had to disconnect the wiring to the pad since it signaled rams down. I spoke with Ken at BCS who did his best to help me find the missing link look for a reset turns out after a couple more hrs the reset was the ignition.
So why did the rams extend? Ken thought a leak but no evidence any where. do the solenoids require power to maintain close or to open and with no power would they bleed out.
glad we weren't hurt coming home 150mls or at a minimum lost a windshield. Ken says to remove the System what do you all think. until then guess ill keep an eye on those rams
Thanks again!!