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Rick Vyncke

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Battery Charging
« on: September 13, 2021, 08:29:24 PM »
Questions regarding battery charging... please refer to the attached image.

AC Leg 1 = OFF
AC Leg 2 = OFF
These make sense because I am not plugged in and the generator is not running.

SOLAR         14.3 Volts DC & 4.8 Amp Charging
HOUSE BAT  13.9 Volts DC & 4    Amp Charging

Does Solar charge the House batteries?  Chassis batteries?  Or both?

I am confused by the two different voltage readings for SOLAR and HOUSE.  I thought the SOLAR panel charged only house batteries but if that was the case, wouldn't they both be displaying the same voltage?  Or is the SOLAR actually displaying the voltage output before it reaches the house batteries?

I am further confused by the HOUSE BAT reading... I am driving and the inverter/charger is off.  I thought that the alternator charged only the chassis batteries and not the house batteries???  Obviously the HOSUE BAT's are being charged... by the SOLAR panel?  Does the Alternator also charge the HOUSE BAT's?

I guess I am in need of a primer on who's charging what and when...  Following is what i know/think... Please correct and/or expand my limited knowledge.

SOLAR PANEL charges the House batteries when sufficient sunlight?
ALTERNATOR: charges the Chassis batteries when the engine is running? 
CHARGER/INVERTER:  Charges the House batteries when the coach is plugged-in or when Generator is running?

What am I missing??

Rick V
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Joel Ashley

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Re: Battery Charging
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2021, 11:08:58 PM »
Rick, I’m no genius when it comes to this stuff, and others here can probably clarify things more, and may correct any misstatements I make.  The following presumes you have a BIRD, but prior coaches had Echo units instead.  I can never remember what year was last for Echos, despite Gerald informing me a few years back, but the BIRD introduction was pretty much a Monaco thing I believe.

To your 3 limited knowledge items:
      1) Solar Panel does charge when sunlight is sufficient, and If I’m not mistaken it does so through the BIRD so when the House set is full at 13.4v the available amps are switched to the chassis set;

      2) Alternator charges the chassis set to 13.4v while running, then the BIRD switches it (via the “Big Boy” solenoid) to charge the house set.  This becomes a problem only when after dry-camping owners don’t run their genset before breaking camp.  The alternator tries to recharge deep cycle house batteries and overheats, and can subsequently fail.  Always run the generator to at least “Absorb” charge after dry camping or parked without 110v power;

      3) Inverter’s built-in charger on Park or genset power charges the house set to 13.4v where the BIRD switches charging to the chassis set.

The solar controller and inverter and BIRD and battery temperature sensor pretty much work in harmony to prevent overcharging of either set.  Just because you may see umpteen volts on the solar reading doesn’t mean that’s what’s getting hammered into the batteries.

Your Aladdin is telling you the state of charge of the devices it’s reporting, the solar panel is itself at 14.3v from the sun its receiving at the moment, and your house set is at 13.9v.  Because there may be a draw from some device on the house batteries somewhere, they aren’t maxed out (my AGM’s typically read 14.1v or more in full sunlight and no load, as did my old wet cells).  As to the Amp readings I’m not expert and mine often don’t make sense to me, but surmise yours indicate the panels are putting out 4.8 amps and the supposed draw on the house batteries is 4 amps.  The panel (solar controller) likely wouldn’t read those amps if there wasn’t a draw downstream, 4 amps through the house set to some device somewhere, and 0.8a to keep the house or chassis set topped up (the house set is now over the 13.4v BIRD or Echo switchover point).  Plus, I don’t think minor volt or amp discrepancies are accurate or meaningful on the Aladdin.  To paraphrase a famous magazine character, A. E. Neuman: what, me fret?

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Re: Battery Charging
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2021, 11:17:14 PM »
Nice Pioneer screen/software/system!  A long ways from my factory Sony 👍🏻
Does it include navigation?  Or just “Car Source” for Aladdin and camera inputs?
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Rick Vyncke

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Re: Battery Charging
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2021, 11:35:27 PM »
Thank you Joel.

The screen/head unit is a Pioneer DMH-WT8600 NEX with 10" screen that supports Apple Carplay and so... Yes, it has navigation via my phone.  As you know phone navigation is limited to where we have cellular service so I also have a Garmin navigation unit for those cases.

Replacing my original Kenwood head-unit is the best single upgrade I have done - albeit a bit pricey.  The beauty of the Pioneer is that I can display multiple inputs on one screen.  So... I always see the Aladdin, the current time, weather (when I have wifi turned on) and shortcuts for my phone.  If I switch to CarPlay I can see a full screen map, phone messages, email or numerous other apps.

I'll post a couple more pictures.
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Re: Battery Charging
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2021, 11:45:38 PM »
Additional pictures of Pioneer head unit upgrade...
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Re: Battery Charging
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2021, 04:38:31 AM »
My guess would be the solar panels output is 14.3v 4.8A (into the charge controller),  and the output of the solar charge controller is 13.9V @4A. So if you do the math your charge controller is running about 80% efficiency which also seems about right.
-Gene

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