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Joel Ashley

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Towing an Explorer
« on: May 28, 2012, 03:28:52 AM »
Our 97 Explorer is wearing out the inside of its brand new front tires after 2000 miles of towing on this trip.  It did the same thing to our last set of tires.  I had the alignment checked just before we left home a month ago.  Years ago I read about others having the same problem, but don't recall the precise fix, other than setting the alignment to a special parameter that didn't ruin the normal driveability of the car.

Tuesday I plan on having the local (Kearney, NE) Ford dealer recheck the alignment and any possible ball joint or tie rod issues.  Does any fellow Beaver have experience with the issue and know the right alignment reset to use?  The new tires up front now make weird sounds on the pavement, which is what made me check them the other day, and I found the darned wear to my new Goodyear Wranglers identical to the old Michelin Cross Country's.  Aggravating, and with yet a long summer trip ahead I am not keen on just continuing the rubber removal.

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Re: Towing an Explorer
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2012, 06:38:36 AM »
You have a toe alignment setting that is out rather than in. Proper toe adjustment for rear wheel drive (front wheels being pushed) 1/32 to 1/16 +/- in.    When being pulled the tires try to resist anything other than straight. Even with that said and perfect alignment of the three cars I have pulled all the front tires sang after a while.
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Re: Towing an Explorer
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2012, 12:07:15 PM »
Joel
Glad you posted this as we are in the market for a new tow car and were looking at explorers.  I note that Ford indicates towable Explorers only 2003 and newer then only with the 'dealer installed' neutral tow switch.


Regarding your tire wear
Is your Explorer 4X4?   Is there any chance that your 4x4 transfer case is not disengaging?  Do you have a neutral tow switch or is there a different version?  I have heard of a '98 with the Ford tow pkg. that disengages using a built in factory device.

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Re: Towing an Explorer
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2012, 02:07:07 PM »
Joel,

I can't really make any comment regarding the tire wear as it hasn't been an issue on my Explorer. Mine is a 06, 4x4 with the 4.6L and I am sure there were some changes between the years. It tracks well and there is no significant tire wear.

Keith, I think if the transfer case wasn't disengaging then Joel would have had a lot more problems than alignment by now. My Explorer has the Ford neutral tow switch kit which electronically disengages the transfer case. I know this kit was (has been) unavailable for awhile as the supplier went out of business (or something) and Ford wasn't in a big hurry to find a replacement supplier as the new style Explorer (2011+) is towable as is. I had heard that a company may make the neutral tow switch for 03-10 Explorers but I haven't checked lately. I think there is a difference between the 4x4 model and the AWD model, so if a kit was found I don't believe it works in those Explorers (and Mountaineers or Aviators) with the AWD system.

Not much help.

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Re: Towing an Explorer
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2012, 01:38:50 AM »
Yes,ours is 4x4, that's why it is a versatile rig - it takes my gear into mountains for sightseeing and fly fishing, gets us through the occasional snow or ice storm, and still is a nice ride to the corner grocery, or gunk holing out daily from Monty Rae's base park.  It has the 4.0 L engine and I had the neutral tow kit put on in Bend when we bought the Monterey in '06.  The local Goodyear dealer thought the wear was bad ball joints or tie rod, and that is always possible, but these guys aren't exactly into motor homes and towing issues here.

And the electronic 4x4 is disengaged.

I'd heard there were alignment numbers that would stop the radical wear, and figured it would involve probably toe in, but am no expert, nor am I sure the Ford dealer here in Kearney knows any more than I.

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Re: Towing an Explorer
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2012, 12:26:08 PM »
Glad to hear that tire wear isnt a universal problem with Explorers.  Checked with our local Ford dealer and 2003 or newer neutral tow switches are available.
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Re: Towing an Explorer
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2012, 01:01:24 PM »
You could have the alignment shop set the caster to maximum factory-recommended setting. And try to avoid sharp turns at slow speeds.  Our motorhomes have such long overhangs that sharp turns cause rapid lateral movement at the tow bar socket. This tends to drag the vehicle sideways. I’m sure that is what creates the singing or rumble that we hear after a few thousand miles on new tires.
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Re: Towing an Explorer
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2012, 06:50:20 PM »
Thanks Jim.  I'll see what they say about resetting the caster, and will also mention it to my home Ford service advisor as he is scratching his head on this as well.

On an older thread from RV.net Forum, I did see a suggestion to increase tire pressure, which I guess would take some load off the tire edges, but I don't know how much it would really help in this case.

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Re: Towing an Explorer
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2012, 12:43:27 AM »
Joel, is your tow bar flat when hooked to the toad? if it is not, it could be putting down pressure on the front end of the Explorer. Just one more idea. Good lock Phil

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Re: Towing an Explorer
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2012, 11:20:04 PM »
Okay, I'm hoping this thing is resolved.  But before I describe the results, I'd like to give a big KUDOs to the guys in the shop at Crossroads Ford, Kearney, Nebraska, and especially Ray, their alignment tech.  The guy is phenomenal, and picked up on things my service shop back home should have.  Ray is one of those very particular fellows who has been around awhile and knows his stuff, reminding me a lot of farmers and mechanics I've known from "the Greatest Generation", who cut their teeth during WWII.  That kind of guy can be hard to come across in the succeeding generation.

The issue actually came down to the relatively rare nature of my Explorer, a '97 Limited.  It has an air suspension, and the front balance sensor's bracket was missing a bolt and the second bolt was loose.  The front end was sitting down on its stops, for all intents.  This threw everything out of whack, since the out-of-position sensor wasn't feeding the correct balance info to the air shocks, and we'd simply adjusted to it over time, not realizing it wasn't level all around, though I had been suspicious for awhile.  I just had too much faith in my long-time shop that had done the alignment last fall, with new brakes and tires, and they'd rechecked it last month before we left home.  They really muffed it, totally missing the fact that the front tires splayed too much, even after aligning the rig!  Being no expert in that dept., I didn't catch it either, but they should have.  Ray couldn't understand how they missed all that was haywire all this time either.  There were loose bolts and two missing cams in the front suspension too.

Ray made sure there were no leaks in the air system, and did a complete alignment after cross-rotating the tires.  He thought the edge worn ones might cause growling on the pavement from the back, but I've not heard the noise yet.  And the rig handles and rides a heck of a lot better than it has in a long time.  The proof of the pudding will be if there is no inside edge wear now when towed.  Ray said 90% of the problem was caused by the loose sensor, and the rest by the loose or missing other parts.  Not to mention my shop had set factory specs to a front end that wasn't square to start with, which made their alignment effort totally ineffective, if not more harmful.

So I'm tagging this thread for anyone researching a similar issue with an Explorer or other toad.  And Phil, yes, I had Roadmaster attend to several hitch issues in 2008, after I first noticed wear on the inside edge of my previous tire set;  since on our low-back ended coach, the Explorer hitch mount was a couple inches higher than the Monterey's attachment point, it was the first thing I took care of.  Unfortunately I thought that was that.  At least until these brand new tires scuffed off in 1600 miles of towing.  The splayed condition obviously would wear inside if pulled instead of pushed.

So if you're in south central Nebraska and your toad, Ford or otherwise, needs any fixin', get it into Crossroads in Kearney.  Though it wasn't cheap, I'm sure as heck glad I did!  And I'm hoping my shop back home will step up to attend to their negligence.

-Joel
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Re: Towing an Explorer
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2012, 11:28:08 PM »
Good news.  As I was finishing the previous post, an email came in from my home dealership service advisor, and he says to bring him the Crossroads Ford invoice when we get back home this fall, and he'll take care of it for us.

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Re: Towing an Explorer
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2012, 03:13:10 PM »
JOEL
Glad to hear your problem is finally resolved and also that your home shop had the guts to own up to the negligence.
 
It is so aggravating the amount of carelessness and down right "not giving a damn" attitude that exists in todays working generation.  Seems all they want to do is put their time and collect their pay and nothing more.  Not much work ethic in todays world.

Anyway, GOOD LUCK on your remaining trip, glad to see you finally got away!

Leah