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Gorde Lang

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Water leak above the door from the Girard Awning!
« on: March 10, 2016, 07:36:06 PM »
We have a 2000 Marquis Tourmaline

Since its been raining a lot in California we are now having leaks in certain spots that we have been able to remedy except for the leaking right in front above the door of the coach from the Girard. Apparantly its been leaking for years. Can anybody give us some help with this problem?

THANKS IN ADVANCE
Belinda Lang
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Karl Welhart

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Re: Water leak above the door from the Girard Awning!
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2016, 09:09:00 PM »
If your Girard awning is recessed in a box mounted flush with the sidewall, this design is VERY prone to leaks.  The silicon seal both on the inside and outside of box especially on the top of the box next to the sidewall should be redone paying special attention to the rivet holes on the mounting flanges.

Another source of a leak can be the strip of metal that goes between the front cap and the side wall.  This can be a problem and is located just above the door.  Not sure if your coach has this joining strip or not.  Marker lights on the front cap are a very common problem.  If they have not been replaced and resealed lately, I would recommend that be on your list.

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Re: Water leak above the door from the Girard Awning!
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2016, 09:31:21 PM »
Sorry to hear of your problems. Had the same issue on our 2000 Beaver Monterey. The installation method used for the Girard was to install it in and seal it to an aluminum box that is nested into an opening in the coach wall. The top of the awning unit is such that water falling on it runs back to the sealed joint where it then was supposed to run laterally along that sealed joint to the awning ends where it can drop to the ground. All well and good until the sealant fails anywhere along the top or sides and the water enters the box and finds its way into the coach wall. On our coach, water compromised the inside luan wallboard AND all the supplemental wood wall framing used to support the small window beside the passenger seat. Once probed, it all fell away in a rotted wet mess.

Short repair scenario for me (do-it-myself) was to thoroughly remove and clean the sealant between the awning and the box and reseal it with white Lexel. Inside, I removed a small cabinet over the door (very tedious job), and the wallboard from the windshield to a point about 4 feet back. Left it open to thoroughly dry. Removed and replaced all wood wall framing. Recovered the wall with a single piece of Formica ordered from a big box home store. Made templates to outline the various cuts needed, then fitted and adhered it to the foam wall core and new framing. Added back the wainscot belt trim and added a vertical trim piece to cover the transition from Formica to original wall panel. Finally, I replaced the cabinet (another tedious job!).

All in all, not much fun, but satisfying once complete!

The repairs were still serving well when we sold the coach about 3 years later. Had I taken it in to be done I would have asked the shop to pull the awning from the box for a thorough look see at the whole situation, something I could not do at home. The evidence of water entry for us appeared to be the front mounting bolt holes where the awning bolted to the wall and rust on the hardware told the tale.
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Re: Water leak above the door from the Girard Awning!
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2016, 10:28:03 PM »
Gorde,

To add to the excellent advice from Karl and Neil;
- be sure to use Lexel and not silicon, which will fail over time.
- in addition to the seams where the Girard attaches to the coach, apply a dab of Lexel on each of the rivet heads.
- keep in mind that rain is often wind driven so make sure you get the seams in front and behind (above) the door.
- consider using masking tape to keep the lexel out of unwanted areas.
If memory serves me, there is a panel above the forward section of the door held on by 2 long screws. Suggest you remove the screws and panel to see if you can spot any water entrance points. When reinstalling, coat screws with WD40, petroleum jelly or other water repellent as they will tend to want to seize up when water is present.

I had a similar problem on my 00 Marquis. Water entrance was strip above the door in front of awning.
Good Luck, Steve
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Re: Water leak above the door from the Girard Awning!
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2016, 11:18:16 PM »
Gorde,
We had the same problem with our 2000 Contessa.  Tried many times to seal and reseal, but finally took it to Beaver Coach Sales in Bend OR, they removed the awning, re-flashed, sealed and painted.  So far so good.  Good luck
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Re: Water leak above the door from the Girard Awning!
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2016, 04:56:03 AM »
Thanks for all the advice & experience. I have pulled out all front &rear lights &set them in a bed of lexel.I also pulled out old silicone in and around entire roof ,walls,seams,rivets, screws,windows, awning, replaced loose poprivets &reset everything with lexel.I pulled interior panels & found 2 of the 11 thru bolts &washers rusted.Both rusted bolts were above front door. The water appears at steel support bracket between doorframe & aluminum framing directly below the beginning of awning box & 6 inches to the rear of that.Since l have sealed exterior of awning how can l access exterior of 2 front bolts & can or should l seal extrusions inside awning that share framing wall.The leaks only appear under hose pressure &NOT when normal rain is falling. Perhaps someone has a breakdown or drawings so l can make sense of this .Again thank you for responding
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Re: Water leak above the door from the Girard Awning!
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2016, 01:43:57 AM »
Can anybody tell me how to gain access to the inside bolts in the front of the Girard? I still need to seal the penetrating bolts to close the leaks.

Thanks, Belinda Lang
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Re: Water leak above the door from the Girard Awning!
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2016, 02:22:27 AM »
The only way to properly seal a leaking awning attachment on an SMC era coach is to remove the awning.

Gerald

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Re: Water leak above the door from the Girard Awning!
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2016, 02:26:46 AM »
Belinda,
Yours may be different than ours.  Inside our cabinet over the passenger seat and behind the plywood insert you can see two nuts securing the front end of the awning.  Remove the screws holding the edges of the plywood insert and there is enough slack to the wires to let it hang out of the way while you work on the awning bolts.  Sealing these nuts may have little effect to your leak since it is the box itself that is leaking into the wall. 

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Re: Water leak above the door from the Girard Awning!
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2016, 11:22:58 PM »
The only way to properly seal a leaking awning attachment on an SMC era coach is to remove the awning.

Gerald
IMHO Gerald is right again.
We fought this same leak in our coach.  We finaly bit the bullet and had BCS pull the awning.  There is sometimes a stainless insert in the cutout behind the awning.  This was supposed to prevent leaks but did not.  On ours they removed the liner and sealed the cutout with a paste  / filler and new flashing.
also...
The gutters were mounted to the sides before the end caps were installed in manufacturing.  When they attached the gutters to the end caps later, the rivets were not sealed properly.  They pulled out the first four feet or so of the gutters on all four corners and resealed and riveted them.
New paint and sealant finished it up!
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Re: Water leak above the door from the Girard Awning!
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2016, 02:46:23 PM »
Belinda, the inside bolts to the awning in my coach are inside box outs in the wall cabinets.  Hope that helps.
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Re: Water leak above the door from the Girard Awning!
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2016, 05:52:20 PM »
Gerald and Keith,

I have mentioned a rubber strip on mine between the awning top and the coach that looks to be a factory install. I am puzzled given my awning looks to be mounted on the surface without a recess. In later years did they do away with the recess and surface mount. I have never had a leak in this coach from the awning or otherwise.

Has anyone taken a picture with the awning removed so we can visualize what the recess looks like....best I can tell I do not have one. I have seen at least one Beaver coach where it looked like the awning was partially recessed. I have aluminum extruded brackets, best I can tell, on the outside of the coach that the Girrard attaches to.

Later Ed

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Re: Water leak above the door from the Girard Awning!
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2016, 10:40:43 PM »
Ed, we have some pictures of the removal.  Will try to get them posted
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Re: Water leak above the door from the Girard Awning!
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2016, 03:36:02 AM »
Ed,
The recessed awning mounting was a SMC design that was insisted on by the owner Mat Perlot. When Monaco bought Beaver, they changed the mounting design to a surface mount. Your coach must have been one of the first Monaco awning mounts.

Gerald

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Re: Water leak above the door from the Girard Awning!
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2016, 08:52:26 PM »
Thanks Gerald,

The entire awning on mine is on the outside of the wall so I guess there are some 2002 Marquis built this way...glad I do not have the dreaded leak box. When a picture or two gets posted it will be easier to visualize how it all went together.....not all ideas are good ones in the Rv world it would seem.

Later Ed