slide going too far inside the wall? Revisited.

[Dwight Lakusta]

Does anyone have any pointers where to start with this issue? Is there a roller on the floor that needs to be replaced or adjusted?  Part of the coach wall also seems to be pushed in the same distance, where the weather strip sits... i wonder how to get this remedied?  It lines up well on the bottom, just the top us going in too far? 

Can i Shim up the inside? Then put some thicker weather stripping? Thanks in advance.

 

[Mike Shumack]

Dwight, do you know which model slide mechanism is being used in that location?

From the photo it looks like that slide is the curbside front slideout. On my coach floorplan that is the living room and kitchen - which, in my case, uses the "HWH X-Slide" mechanism (dual cylinder with synchronizing cylinder). I just finished replacing one of the cylinders on my X-Slide. While it was apart I found that some of the X-Slide arm-to-room attaching screws were loose and two had broken off.

I would start by removing the vertical wood trim and getting a look at the mechanism and mounting points.

The rollers set the room height in the opening (not the room tilt). As your paint lines look like they match up, I do not think your rollers are out of adjustment.

[Dwight Lakusta]

Hmmmm, interesting, so that mechanisim is inside the wall behind the wood trim?  How do i tell if i have that system?  Is there anything to look at? What are the different ones... Thanks

[Karl Welhart]

Dwight, should be a simple stop mico-switch adjust under the bed on the slide rail system.

[Mike Shumack]

That is your front slideout room, right?

On my '05 there are two different slideout mechanism used on the big front slideouts room. I have the "X-Slide (a dual cylinder mechanism) on the Curbside room, and a single cylinder under frame type on the front Roadside slide.

The X-slide looks like this (once vertical trim pieces are removed) - one mechanism on each side of the room (inside coach). There is a vertical wood trim piece, and then a white metal piece the wood screws to, then the black thing is the X-Slide (shown fully collapsed).

The under frame single cylinder is the lower picture (the cylinder is in the center, not in view, between the two out guide arms/beams):

[Dwight Lakusta]

Im pretty sure i have the one from the last picture, I left for work, and will be back again on Friday, i will look and see for sure.  But I'm 90 percent i have the one with the gear on both.........Thank you for the pictures, now i know what I'm looking for, Maybe i will be surprised and have the X type!

Im not sure which one is easier to work on, they both seem hard, its must be either a roller on the bottom on the style in the last picture, or a broken X style mounting location.....

[William Jordan]

2003 ruby, we have sister coaches. Mine was doing the same thing. You are looking at the passenger (kitchen) front slide in the photo identical,  even in painting to mine.  The slide is Power gear hydraulic ram ,at least the drivers side is , with I believe 3?  geared connected heavy rails on wheeled rollers mounted to the bottom of the slide. they keep the slide in sync as the Hydraulic Ram pushes in or out.  I had a couple (wheels) that had worn out and needed replacing. these aren't the large plastic type  floor rollers of which there are 4-5 along the floor just behind the seal  They are the ones inside the Square tube rails. I see No X system.  There is no mechanism in the wall or at the top that I know of  .. there is a stop or edge?  of the wall  that the slide top pushes against as it comes in, that's it. I believe if it gets too far forward it misses the edge of the wall
Elite Rv replaced all my seals and adjusted mine as best as possible but I still have some "tip" of that back corner as it comes in. Not as bad as yours since they  adjusted  but it was before!  I'm not sure what the problem is but mine isnt bad now. The slide tips (falls) in a bit at the end of its run in. Of course this is a heavy end with a cabinet that fills the corner and the Microwave in that corner. I am satisfied that its not dangerous and i'm the only one that notices it  .. Check box slide bar  wheels there are 4 2 in front and 2 in back  .. a couple of mine were flat spotted and not rolling .. in fact the slide was just being drug in.  If you find something else I'll be  interested as Elite couldn't explain it fully, and their folks worked for Monaco at the time!     

[Dwight Lakusta]

Now we are cooking with peanut oil!  Well this is good news that it may be an adjustment of the slide wheels. If it solved your problem I'm sure it will help me the same way!!! I wonder where a guy would source those slide out wheels.... I wonder if they may be hard to find!  If adjusting it is what i need to do, i can't wait to get home to try! 

[William Jordan]

Dwight , Elite had mine made ! to the tune of 40 bucks each! as they said the OEM were inferior. I thinkI went to the Power gear site and found the wheels but of course Power gear is now someone else ... can't remember ( not unusual ) .I'm in 80deg weather  in florida  and it past happy Hour   Google Power gear rollers and go from there .. but crawl under there and observe yours .. mine were flat spotted and a couple were obviously not rolling with no smooth look like a wheel has as it rolls.

[Mike Shumack]

2003 ruby, we have sister coaches. Mine was doing the same thing. You are looking at the passenger (kitchen) front slide in the photo identical,  even in painting to mine.  The slide is Power gear hydraulic ram ,at least the drivers side is , with I believe 3?  geared connected heavy rails on wheeled rollers mounted to the bottom of the slide. they keep the slide in sync as the Hydraulic Ram pushes in or out.

I was thinking it was an HWH unit, since the hydraulic cylinder says "HWH" on it. But maybe only the hydraulics is just from HWH since they already had their HWH pump on the coach for the other slides.

However, I still can't find this setup on the Power Gear website. Do you have any info on it (model name or parts diagram)?

This is the only slideout left on my coach that I have not been able to find a parts list or service info for.

[William Jordan]

The drivers side has power gear ID stickers on the rails but the pass side I’m not sure about as I haven’t found the obvious “stickers”  the geared rail and wheel mechanism is the same so I “assumed” Never good to do I know . I’ll look some more when I get back to the coach. But then again by 05 Monaco had changed many things to the “Monaco” way hadn’t they? My 03 may not be the same as yours. I think our Marquis is basically a smc / Beaver  still made in Bend the “old” way. In fact my lower bays come out with the slides ( not pass through)  .. your slides are not connected to the slides .. correct? And your not on a M ( magnum) chassis I believe

[Mike Shumack]

The drivers side has power gear ID stickers on the rails but the pass side I’m not sure about as I haven’t found the obvious “stickers”  the geared rail and wheel mechanism is the same so I “assumed” Never good to do I know . I’ll look some more when I get back to the coach. But then again by 05 Monaco had changed many things to the “Monaco” way hadn’t they? My 03 may not be the same as yours. I think our Marquis is basically a smc / Beaver  still made in Bend the “old” way.

In fact my lower bays come out with the slides ( not pass through)  .. your slides are not connected to the slides .. correct? And your not on a “M” ( Magnum )  Chassis I believe.

Everything you said is accurate (you have the SMC/Beaver and I have the Monaco/Beaver) so it is possible that the slideout mechanism will be different.

BTW, my lower storage bays (on the roadside) do come out with the slides.

[Gerald Farris]

Bill,
There are probably some differences in the slides on your coach and the slides on an 05 Thunder, but the flat top slides on your coach are totally a Monaco design. SMC slides had a rain gutter molded into the top of the slide and they did not use slide toppers until after the Monaco purchase. Monaco bought Beaver in the summer of 01, and they did a total redesign on the chassis and slides before the 03 production started when they built the first 3 slide Beaver. One big things that Monaco did in the redesign was to replace the problematic Meritor ADB brakes with the much more durable Bendix air disc brakes. About the only thing that was an SMC design carryover other than the cabinet work was the SMC leveling system that Monaco used on the 03 coaches until they had depleted the surplus inventory that came in the purchase of SMC.

Gerald 

[Dwight Lakusta]

Ok, so i went underneath, had a look, and i have the power gear/lippert slide out system.  3 beams, sprocket gear and rollers for the rail.....Now my question, what do I do?  The slide is sagging in, so how do i manipulate that?  All the rollers seem to be in OK shape....  Do i buy the rollers and try that? Has anyone else had this issue? 
Are there rollers inside on the floor under the cabinets?
I have no flat spots on the rollers at all.  All the rollers are orange in color. Thanks in advance.

[Mike Shumack]

It doesn't look like the slide is sagging - the paint lines match up perfectly. So the slide mechanism is not sagging and adjusting the rollers will not fix the problem. IMO

Are there a mechanical arms/locks on each side of the slideout that locks the room in the full In and Out positions?

Our coaches are different models/years, so I'm not sure i can help by describing how my slide works. I know that when my front slide comes in, the bottom stops first then the top still comes in an inch of two before it stops. So there is something physical there at the top that it stops against. As the slide reaches the end of its inward travel a metal latch on each side rotates up and locks against a fixed metal plate on the inside (that is the lock mechanism in the photo).
I'll see if i can get a better look at what is at the top.


Edited for spelling